Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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correcaminos

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It can't fade to nothing. It's literally impossible. Look at China if you want a case study.
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I will use China to prove my point. Shanghai had about 23k cases positive (mandatory testing). Roughly 1k were symptomatic. Which is entirely my point. A whole lot of nothing to worry about. Countries that use lockdowns will take longer to get there but 1 in 23 being symptomatic is not bad. While not your taking nothing literally (which I do not) , like other coronaviruses, that's fading to nothing to worry about.
 

correcaminos

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This makes a lot of sense to me. Between the scary meme that are US medical bills to non-Americans and the real possibility of not being able to return home due to a positive covid test, it wouldn't surprise me that international visitors are being more cautious.
Yep, makes total sense. If I heard an accent (like British) or foreign language and they were fully masked I would make that as my guess. I even had friends traveling abroad for spring break all worried about testing and masking more than usual to keep from being stuck. I did have a friend who traveled to Europe and had to stay 5 extra days while their family was cleared due to a positive test. Stupidly mild case too.
The indoor mask rule was still in effect during this time frame. No way that they could have possibly been infected in the parks.
Not true. No mask is perfect. Eating indoors also did occur at that time.
 

DisneyCane

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Not true. No mask is perfect. Eating indoors also did occur at that time.
That was my thinly veiled point. Having the indoor mask policy at WDW did not make it remotely "safe" with respect to COVID transmission. The example of your dad and other reports in this thread illustrate that.

People either need to accept the risk of going or not but thinking some protocols being in place turn a crowded theme park into a low risk environment is delusional. The lesson is that if you are very worried about catching COVID then you shouldn't go to WDW or any similar environment regardless of what policies are in place.
 

StarWarsGirl

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I caught COVID at WDW. It was back in February. I think at this point, we can be done with masks because of transmission rates being so low. I am personally done with them because my doctor says I now have super immunity to the virus, plus we now know that my asthma symptoms from it are exactly zero.

HOWEVER

No one else in my group got COVID except for me. I had someone take me home from the airport, and I wore a mask. That person never caught COVID. While your chances of catching COVID even with masks are never zero, I do believe that when transmission rates are high, we should be wearing them indoors. I will put mine on if a business asks me to or if transmission rates are high, and I respect the right of others to wear one.
 
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Dizneykid

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I've been on 3 vacations in the last year to WDW. 2 had masks indoors and the last did not. We did not come back sick any of those trips. We only masked per rules and all rides/queues we did not. I saw roughly 5% or less masked. Those with little ones seemed to do it more along with seemingly more medically fragile and guessing international guests - all I totally understand. One line literally the entire 2nd row for Soarin wore them but most did not. We always wash hands before eating and never try to be all on top of people anyway. We did the same as usual on that.

I know a few boosted who caught it from their kids. Fortunately all super mild.

Enjoy your trip!


I find this really cool!
Thank you. We went during the pandemic and didn't get sick but this was before mask mandates were removed. We want to avoid getting sick and a mask is one way to try. My husband got sick on vacation before covid existed and we missed out on the last few days. People are already back to bragging about going on trips even when they know they are sick so we are just going to hope for the best. Not living life feels worse.
 

Dizneykid

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All of the authorities on the matter say that the chances of outdoor transmission of Covid are virtually zero. That's why, even at the height of Omicron, outdoor mask mandates were virtually nonexistent. It is an indoor virus.

As for the mask issue, I find it awfully convenient that the reason for people getting sick is that, gosh darn it, people just aren't complying enough. It couldn't possibly be that the masks, which we know are blameless holy creatures, just weren't being effective at stopping Covid.

Regardless, though, if WDW truly was a breeding ground for Covid when the mask mandate was in place, that only serves to prove that such mandates are pointless. Whether it's because the masks don't work or because people don't comply, the results are the same. The mandate didn't stop the widespread transmission of Covid.
This is why I wonder if covid simply doesn't spread easily from transient exposure. We went two times during the pandemic. One time with a mask everywhere mandate and the other time with an indoor only mandate. We didn't get sick and the second time was much busier than the first time. If masks don't work then we surely should have gotten covid during those higher transmission times in Florida. It could be that a large majority of people are safe from infection in casual exposure settings. It explains why there were no major associated surges after those early maskless panic shopping days.

It seems like maybe covid needs a certain combination of things to infect someone and brief contact doesn't seem to be one of them. I know our time will come but we still haven't caught covid. Symptomatic covid anyway.
 
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correcaminos

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Thank you. We went during the pandemic and didn't get sick but this was before mask mandates were removed. We want to avoid getting sick and a mask is one way to try. My husband got sick on vacation before covid existed and we missed out on the last few days. People are already back to bragging about going on trips even when they know they are sick so we are just going to hope for the best. Not living life feels worse.
We always do try to avoid getting sick. I'm sure my family sometimes doesn't get my desire to wash hands so much (though half of that is an ick response of mine - as in people are icky) among other things. I think you can do as you feel is wise and no one will judge as long as you aren't breaking rules.

I do know my kid has been exposed a lot so not sure how much is luck or immune systems (and vaccines later on). We're doing the best we can though. But I left it to him during spring break. He opted not to mask and still were fine.
 

Dizneykid

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All of the authorities on the matter say that the chances of outdoor transmission of Covid are virtually zero. That's why, even at the height of Omicron, outdoor mask mandates were virtually nonexistent. It is an indoor virus.

As for the mask issue, I find it awfully convenient that the reason for people getting sick is that, gosh darn it, people just aren't complying enough. It couldn't possibly be that the masks, which we know are blameless holy creatures, just weren't being effective at stopping Covid.

Regardless, though, if WDW truly was a breeding ground for Covid when the mask mandate was in place, that only serves to prove that such mandates are pointless. Whether it's because the masks don't work or because people don't comply, the results are the same. The mandate didn't stop the widespread transmission of Covid.
This is why I wonder if covid simply doesn't spread easily from transient exposure. We went two times during the pandemic. One time with a mask everywhere mandate and the other time with an indoor only mandate. We didn't get sick and the second time was much busier than the first time.

It seems like maybe covid needs a certain combination of things to infect someone and brief contact doesn't seem to be one of them . I know our time will come but we still haven't caught covid. Symptomatic covid anyway.
We always do try to avoid getting sick. I'm sure my family sometimes doesn't get my desire to wash hands so much (though half of that is an ick response of mine - as in people are icky) among other things. I think you can do as you feel is wise and no one will judge as long as you aren't breaking rules.

I do know my kid has been exposed a lot so not sure how much is luck or immune systems (and vaccines later on). We're doing the best we can though. But I left it to him during spring break. He opted not to mask and still were fine.

I definitely had a preoccupation with avoiding getting sick before covid and especially after my husband got sick. We hung out in the hotel and lost precious park days. I'm going to try whatever I can within reason and see how it goes lol.

I'm glad you have had successful trips!
 

correcaminos

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This is why I wonder if covid simply doesn't spread easily from transient exposure. We went two times during the pandemic. One time with a mask everywhere mandate and the other time with an indoor only mandate. We didn't get sick and the second time was much busier than the first time.

It seems like maybe covid needs a certain combination of things to infect someone and brief contact doesn't seem to be one of them . I know our time will come but we still haven't caught covid. Symptomatic covid anyway.

I definitely had a preoccupation with avoiding getting sick before covid and especially after my husband got sick. We hung out in the hotel and lost precious park days. I'm going to try whatever I can within reason and see how it goes lol.

I'm glad you have had successful trips!
I hear that! One trip I was with friends whose kid picked up a bug that knocked her down a couple of days. Missed CRT and everything. Fortunately any of us who picked it up were just mildly blah for a half a day if that, but it stunk. Got me washing my hands more based on what the kid picked up. I've been an AP holder for a long time so I can go back no issues, but would rather avoid what I can.

Not even a germaphobe here (though am an emetephobic and hate sticky feelings) but it is smart to avoid what you can. Normally little colds and stuff don't bother me much.

We are seeing a super mild uptick in cases but not enough to worry me here. Our pediatrician office just put out a warning that they've seen more flu cases than usual or earlier so their concern is seemingly wise - talk about what's concerning at the time. Sure covid will be around but if our hospitalizations are low and doc offices aren't swarmed I will just go with life as it is. We're protected as well as can be.
 

DisneyCane

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This is why I wonder if covid simply doesn't spread easily from transient exposure. We went two times during the pandemic. One time with a mask everywhere mandate and the other time with an indoor only mandate. We didn't get sick and the second time was much busier than the first time. If masks don't work then we surely should have gotten covid during those higher transmission times in Florida. It could be that a large majority of people are safe from infection in casual exposure settings. It explains why there were no major associated surges after those early maskless panic shopping days.

It seems like maybe covid needs a certain combination of things to infect someone and brief contact doesn't seem to be one of them. I know our time will come but we still haven't caught covid. Symptomatic covid anyway.
Pretty much all studies done since the beginning determined that the majority of spread happens in indoor environments with poor ventilation and a minimum of several minutes of being in the environment. The time for transmission to occur has varied by the variant.

None of the variants seem to be transmissible just by going past somebody in a hallway or something like that. Improved ventilation and air filtration would likely reduce COVID spread as well as other airborne illnesses.
 

Angel Ariel

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As for the mask issue, I find it awfully convenient that the reason for people getting sick is that, gosh darn it, people just aren't complying enough. It couldn't possibly be that the masks, which we know are blameless holy creatures, just weren't being effective at stopping Covid.
It's anecdotal, yes, but my child's school had relatively few covid case notifications August-February. And no "outbreaks" at all (and outbreak defined by our DOH as "“the identification of two or more laboratory-confirmed cases of illness that are epidemiologically linked by person, place, and time.”).

Our mask mandate ended March 1. Before the end of the month, we had an outbreak - 9 cases in one classroom. 16 total reported at the same time. I've gotten covid notifications multiple days this week (where prior to March we'd gone weeks without any notifications at all). I expect this to continue for the next week or so, as our spring break was last week.

Please note, I'm not saying this is a huge outbreak or a big deal. But it is noteworthy, IMO, that we did not have an outbreak after winter break - when masking was mandated.
 

danlb_2000

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My mistake about your dad. For some reason I thought the post by @hopemax was made by you.

I wasn't being passive aggressive. I was making a point using sarcasm. I also wasn't debating mask efficacy. My point was that the WDW policy was not effective in preventing spread at WDW. It doesn't matter if masks are 100% effective or 0% effective, the policy that they had to be worn indoors at WDW except when eating in a dining location was not effective.

My larger point was that, if you are concerned with possibly catching COVID, it will not be "safe" to go to WDW for a very long time, possibly forever. No matter what protocols they put in place based on whatever future criteria they come up with, a crowded theme park will never be a low risk environment for the spread of respiratory viruses.

At lot of it is an odds game. You could be packed in a tiny room with a hundred other people but if none of them happen to be infectious then you will be fine. The more community transmission there is, the greater chance one or more of those people will be infectious and the greater chance they will spread it.
 

danlb_2000

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Pretty much all studies done since the beginning determined that the majority of spread happens in indoor environments with poor ventilation and a minimum of several minutes of being in the environment. The time for transmission to occur has varied by the variant.

None of the variants seem to be transmissible just by going past somebody in a hallway or something like that. Improved ventilation and air filtration would likely reduce COVID spread as well as other airborne illnesses.

This should be one of the biggest take aways from this pandemic, good ventilation has a lot of health benefits.
 

StarWarsGirl

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Thank you. We went during the pandemic and didn't get sick but this was before mask mandates were removed. We want to avoid getting sick and a mask is one way to try. My husband got sick on vacation before covid existed and we missed out on the last few days. People are already back to bragging about going on trips even when they know they are sick so we are just going to hope for the best. Not living life feels worse.
I went in July of last year. At the time, I was unvaccinated and the mask mandates were gone. I wore my mask, and I never got it. Before my trip this past February, I'd been five times during COVID and never caught it.

Ironically, the past February was when I got it. It was my first trip when I was fully vaccinated, and there were still mask mandates. Thankfully, I got sick when I got home. I felt like I was coming down with a cold, and I happened to test myself the day I got home to be sure and came back positive. No one else came back positive, though they all had boosters and I wasn't due yet.

The rates are better now than they were in February. Honestly, my best advice is to make sure you're vaccinated and boosted. I'm not worried about the masks personally because my doctor said I have "super immunity", but go for it if you feel better wearing one.
 

DisneyCane

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It's anecdotal, yes, but my child's school had relatively few covid case notifications August-February. And no "outbreaks" at all (and outbreak defined by our DOH as "“the identification of two or more laboratory-confirmed cases of illness that are epidemiologically linked by person, place, and time.”).

Our mask mandate ended March 1. Before the end of the month, we had an outbreak - 9 cases in one classroom. 16 total reported at the same time. I've gotten covid notifications multiple days this week (where prior to March we'd gone weeks without any notifications at all). I expect this to continue for the next week or so, as our spring break was last week.

Please note, I'm not saying this is a huge outbreak or a big deal. But it is noteworthy, IMO, that we did not have an outbreak after winter break - when masking was mandated.
Correlation doesn't equal causation. @mkt posted about a friend who is an ER doctor in Miami that said they had gone weeks (I can't remember the exact period of time) without a single COVID case and then had 17 this week. I can assure you that there were no mitigation changes in Miami during that time period.

Maybe taking away the mandate had an effect, maybe it didn't. There's no way to really know without doing very well designed scientific studies.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I think it largely comes down to immune system luck, when the first cruise ship outbreaks happened in 2020 it was about 20% getting infected, 80% had sufficient levels of natural immunity to fight it off despite never being exposed to it before and despite being on a floating pitri fish.

I work in a casino and I’d guesstimate 10% of my coworkers have now (knowingly) had it, we’re over 80% vaccinated which helps but we are around thousands of people every single day and 90% have avoided a (symptomatic) case.

Some day they’ll probably figure out why certain people are more susceptible than others but for now I’ll keep trusting my vaccine and natural immune system because we really have no other choice.
 
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