Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

When you study the numbers 400k seems like a worst case scenario.

I just think that your receive such push back on your posts because your always looking at worst case.

It would be like me posting over and over that we are going to have 12k deaths a year from Covid going forward and it’s time to forget about it.

We need to look at the full range of possible outcomes and have a reasonable path forward based on likelihoods and adjusting to actuality as it unfolds.

“Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.”

It’s better to be ready. To have means of dealing with an undesirable situation. Walt Disney World having hurricane plans doesn’t mean they are just being negative, want a hurricane or think every strong gust of wind is a Category 5.

 

[DCBaker]

Universal Orlando reportedly moving back to optional masks for vaccinated guests beginning tomorrow -

 

[mmascari]

I just think that your receive such push back on your posts because your always looking at worst case.

We've been saying "Hold my beer" for 18+ months. It's not like doing it again is some wild surprise and different.

We need to look at the full range of possible outcomes and have a reasonable path forward based on likelihoods and adjusting to actuality as it unfolds.

I'm a middle road person. Will do ask asked no worries but don't always love it. You asked if this can diminish on its own and it can. That's not denial, it's actually based on history of viruses. So don't take that article I posted as dismissive as it is a reality I am sure we will get to. What we do until then I do care about.

We get lots of posts from people with opinions like:
- No mask mandates
- No vaccine mandates
- No vaccine passports
- No restrictions on capacity
- No restrictions on travel

Which all basically add up to "do not do anything that would have an impact". The question wasn't about if people do the stuff we're asked to do today. Most people posting here, even those who hate it, do whatever is asked. It was about, if we're not going to do any of those things, what are we going to do to reduce community transmission? The answer from that group seems to be "nothing". We just hope that it holds true that it get's weaker over time and we don't get a mutation that's unfortunate. It may happen. But, the plan from the group of "don't do anything" isn't to help with that outcome at all.

It might turn out fine.

It might not.

I'm tired of hearing people say "we cannot do X" but they also have no other plan beyond that assumption and hope that "it'll all just work out". That's why, while I hate @DisneyCane 's answer, it's at least honest. There's no dependency on "it'll all just work out", it's acceptance that if what's going on today stays exactly the same (or even gets worse), that is completely fine. There's nothing that needs to get better, the status quo today is fine.

I see people in 3 groups:
- Let's do X to try and reduce spread. For whatever X they want, and there are lots of options people may pick.
- Let's do nothing, it's fine now.
- Let's do nothing, it'll just get better eventually.

That last one is a croc. They should own it that they're the second, that it's fine now. It's a hope and wish that it'll just get better. It hasn't gotten better for 2 years. Maybe the next mutation that replaces Omicron will be better. Maybe it'll be more mild. Maybe it'll be a larger vaccine escape. Maybe it'll be all of those things. And, maybe it'll be worse. The only thing we can say for sure, whatever new variant replaces Omicron will be more infectious and easier to spread. We can definitively say that, since that's what will allow it to supplant Omicron.

I'm not saying the two of you are in the third group, but that's the group I was asking to respond with what the plan was beside just hope.

 

[Tom P.]

We've been saying "Hold my beer" for 18+ months. It's not like doing it again is some wild surprise and different.



We get lots of posts from people with opinions like:
- No mask mandates
- No vaccine mandates
- No vaccine passports
- No restrictions on capacity
- No restrictions on travel

Which all basically add up to "do not do anything that would have an impact". The question wasn't about if people do the stuff we're asked to do today. Most people posting here, even those who hate it, do whatever is asked. It was about, if we're not going to do any of those things, what are we going to do to reduce community transmission? The answer from that group seems to be "nothing". We just hope that it holds true that it get's weaker over time and we don't get a mutation that's unfortunate. It may happen. But, the plan from the group of "don't do anything" isn't to help with that outcome at all.

It might turn out fine.

It might not.

I'm tired of hearing people say "we cannot do X" but they also have no other plan beyond that assumption and hope that "it'll all just work out". That's why, while I hate @DisneyCane 's answer, it's at least honest. There's no dependency on "it'll all just work out", it's acceptance that if what's going on today stays exactly the same (or even gets worse), that is completely fine. There's nothing that needs to get better, the status quo today is fine.

I see people in 3 groups:
- Let's do X to try and reduce spread. For whatever X they want, and there are lots of options people may pick.
- Let's do nothing, it's fine now.
- Let's do nothing, it'll just get better eventually.

That last one is a croc. They should own it that they're the second, that it's fine now. It's a hope and wish that it'll just get better. It hasn't gotten better for 2 years. Maybe the next mutation that replaces Omicron will be better. Maybe it'll be more mild. Maybe it'll be a larger vaccine escape. Maybe it'll be all of those things. And, maybe it'll be worse. The only thing we can say for sure, whatever new variant replaces Omicron will be more infectious and easier to spread. We can definitively say that, since that's what will allow it to supplant Omicron.

I'm not saying the two of you are in the third group, but that's the group I was asking to respond with what the plan was beside just hope.

My answer is not "do not do anything that would have an impact." My answer is "I don't believe anything we do has an impact."

Regardless, though, yes, if you want to boil it down to its essence, I don't believe we should have any "mitigation measures" in place at all, regardless of what Covid is or is not doing at the time.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It’s unfortunate the mask-at-WDW thread had to close. Expecting movement soon.

 

[Tom P.]

It’s unfortunate the mask-at-WDW thread had to close. Expecting movement soon.

Well, @wdwmagic said it was closing until there was actual news. I assume once Disney makes a move, the thread will re-open.

 

[Heelz2315]

It’s unfortunate the mask-at-WDW thread had to close. Expecting movement soon.

That makes one of us

 

[correcaminos]

We've been saying "Hold my beer" for 18+ months. It's not like doing it again is some wild surprise and different.



We get lots of posts from people with opinions like:
- No mask mandates
- No vaccine mandates
- No vaccine passports
- No restrictions on capacity
- No restrictions on travel

Which all basically add up to "do not do anything that would have an impact". The question wasn't about if people do the stuff we're asked to do today. Most people posting here, even those who hate it, do whatever is asked. It was about, if we're not going to do any of those things, what are we going to do to reduce community transmission? The answer from that group seems to be "nothing". We just hope that it holds true that it get's weaker over time and we don't get a mutation that's unfortunate. It may happen. But, the plan from the group of "don't do anything" isn't to help with that outcome at all.

It might turn out fine.

It might not.

I'm tired of hearing people say "we cannot do X" but they also have no other plan beyond that assumption and hope that "it'll all just work out". That's why, while I hate @DisneyCane 's answer, it's at least honest. There's no dependency on "it'll all just work out", it's acceptance that if what's going on today stays exactly the same (or even gets worse), that is completely fine. There's nothing that needs to get better, the status quo today is fine.

I see people in 3 groups:
- Let's do X to try and reduce spread. For whatever X they want, and there are lots of options people may pick.
- Let's do nothing, it's fine now.
- Let's do nothing, it'll just get better eventually.

That last one is a croc. They should own it that they're the second, that it's fine now. It's a hope and wish that it'll just get better. It hasn't gotten better for 2 years. Maybe the next mutation that replaces Omicron will be better. Maybe it'll be more mild. Maybe it'll be a larger vaccine escape. Maybe it'll be all of those things. And, maybe it'll be worse. The only thing we can say for sure, whatever new variant replaces Omicron will be more infectious and easier to spread. We can definitively say that, since that's what will allow it to supplant Omicron.

I'm not saying the two of you are in the third group, but that's the group I was asking to respond with what the plan was beside just hope.

No we cannot - not anymore than you can say this will never end. It could be same spread, less or more. If you know it is more spread so certainly, then you need to admit you know it won't be a worry in the future. The hope is it is so mild we don't even notice the spread. How fast won't matter. If it gets worse we adjust. The thing is unless this is a life eradicating pandemic globally - it is not - it will get better.

The question is at what cost? Numbers are dropping here to points that we haven't seen in a while. I am good with dropping when spread is lower. I am not good at dropping and pretending it doesn't exist when hospitals are overwhelmed. Here they are not.

It's February here and I'm cold so far more willing to happily mask than not. Come summer? I am hoping Numbers stay low so that this isn't a worry. I will adjust to what is needed

I'm just not ever going to be in the camp that these levels are forever. No scientist has ever suggested that, at least not ones I've seen.

 

[ToTBellHop]

That makes one of us

Mmmm kay

 

[AEfx]

I was reading about this last night. For anyone who chose not to read the article here are the highlights. And yet, there are people who still say "it's just the flu"

"In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected."

. “We found an increased risk of cardiovascular problems in old people and in young people, in people with diabetes and without diabetes, in people with obesity and people without obesity, in people who smoked and who never smoked.”

"For example, veterans who had had COVID-19 faced a 72% higher risk of heart failure after 12 months than those in a control group who didn’t test positive. "

This is precisely why I have just cringed whenever people are "whatever, I don't care, I'm vaccinated, so it's just like getting the sniffles..."

There have been warning signs since the beginning that the effects could be far more long-lasting. Unfortunately, it seems the data is indeed pointing in that direction.

 

[Chomama]

This is precisely why I have just cringed whenever people are "whatever, I don't care, I'm vaccinated, so it's just like getting the sniffles..."

There have been warning signs since the beginning that the effects could be far more long-lasting. Unfortunately, it seems the data is indeed pointing in that direction.

Even if that’s how this shakes out I just don’t see a realistic alternative. And I have yet to see anyone present one. We have tried lots of things and omicron is so contagious that even the fully vaccinated have been infected in droves. Thankfully they don’t tend to get very ill. It’s so rare for a child to have symptoms if vaccinated. I have been on the very conservative side of how to live with this virus. We mask, are vaxxed and I think it should be mandatory for kids to be vaccinated for school and everyone else to travel on public transportation. But it isn’t up to me and omicron just isn’t a serious enough disease to justify the continued use of mitigation. We should all be fully vaccinated. It you are not then you are a fool. That’s that and the rest of us would like to move on. And yes, there are some still at high risk as with every disease. And yes, it’s awful and unfair. And yes, a new variant may arrive that requires us to tighten up again. But this is not that time.

 

[FanforDisney]

Universal Orlando reportedly moving back to optional masks for vaccinated guests beginning tomorrow -

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Great, going to Universal first week of March

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

Universal Orlando reportedly moving back to optional masks for vaccinated guests beginning tomorrow -

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About time, your turn Disney

 

[ToTBellHop]

About time, your turn Disney

They know. I don’t think it will be effective tomorrow like Universal but very soon.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Not only did the Vegas casinos drop them but it seemed to be instant. As soon as I saw the news that the Nevada Gaming Commission removed the mandate I went to the MGM resorts "safety" page and all mention of masks was already removed.

I was thrilled since I'll be in Vegas next month. I hope Disney makes the policy change before next week when I'm there although I'm mostly going for the art festival at Epcot so I won't be indoors much.

Judging by my shopping experience yesterday I don’t think businesses are going to have much choice.

I take my mask everywhere in case a store requests it, Lowes had please use masks signs out front so I wore mine like the polite person I am, I’d guess maybe 50% were masked, the donut shop didn’t have signs and the employees were unmasked so I didn’t bother, but many customers did and I’d guess 50% masked, went grocery shopping and they still had signs out front so I masked up and was amongst the approximately 50% masked…

The barn doors are open, even if a businesses requests masks it’s probably beyond their means to police it now because without a direct threat behind it too many people will do whatever they want.

It’s unfortunate people don’t have more respect for others, it would go a long way to solving most of our national problems, I’m all about personal freedom but with that freedom also comes personal responsibility, if a business says to mask up I will, it’s their business and I’ll abide by their rules (or go elsewhere), unfortunately I seem to be a minority in this country in that regard.

 

[DisneyCane]

It’s unfortunate the mask-at-WDW thread had to close. Expecting movement soon.

Due to California removing the statewide mandate on 2/15 and Orange County, CA not having one, I wouldn't be shocked if Disney announces no more masks at Disneyland or WDW starting on 2/15 or shortly thereafter. Then they don't need to have separate policies for each coast.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Due to California removing the statewide mandate on 2/15 and Orange County, CA not having one, I wouldn't be shocked if Disney announces no more masks at Disneyland or WDW starting on 2/15 or shortly thereafter. Then they don't need to have separate policies for each coast.

They are indeed trying to do this all at once. It’s simpler and only generates the headline on CNN once. Friday evenings are appealing but they may not be ready today so perhaps next Friday leading into the holiday weekend. All I know is plans are under way.

Chapek wants this done.

 

[DisneyCane]

Judging by my shopping experience yesterday I don’t think businesses are going to have much choice.

I take my mask everywhere in case a store requests it, Lowes had please use masks signs out front so I wore mine like the polite person I am, I’d guess maybe 50% were masked, the donut shop didn’t have signs and the employees were unmasked so I didn’t bother, but many customers did and I’d guess 50% masked, went grocery shopping and they still had signs out front so I masked up and was amongst the approximately 50% masked…

The barn doors are open, even if a businesses requests masks it’s probably beyond their means to police it now because without a direct threat behind it too many people will do whatever they want.

It’s unfortunate people don’t have more respect for others, it would go a long way to solving most of our national problems, I’m all about personal freedom but with that freedom also comes personal responsibility also, if a business says to mask up I will, it’s their business and I’ll abide by their rules (or go elsewhere), unfortunately I seem to be a minority in this country in that regard.

Were you at work yesterday? I'm curious what percentage of casino patrons still wore masks after it wasn't required.

 

[Heelz2315]

They are indeed trying to do this all at once. It’s simpler and only generates the headline on CNN once. Friday evenings are appealing but they may not be ready today so perhaps next Friday leading into the holiday weekend. All I know is plans are under way.

Chapek wants this done.

Just cause I am curious......how are you so sure?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Just cause I am curious......how are you so sure?

Because I text with people who would know. While Disney notoriously gets cold feet at the last moment this seems to be set in motion.

Chapek: