Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[JoeCamel]

... and in most states the full lockdowns didn't last that long, but the impact of the virus itself has dragged on much longer.

4.8 million called out sick in January. I have no idea how they count the number if it is 4.8M discrete calls or some called a few times until it cleared or one guy called 4.8M times but that is a bunch of people not going to work in businesses already strapped for bodies. The virus will take it's toll

 

[DisneyDebRob]

That is the mindset in particular areas, I understand. The population around here definitely does, and do, want to go out for activities. It is up to other areas to decide whether they want to overcome whatever is holding them back. Doing things out of convenience is one thing. But not wanting to go out because your are not comfortable doing so is another...and that is regional.

I’ve never considered going out to the hardware stores or for groceries “ out for activities “ but that’s me. I like the freeing up of my time doing curbside for activities I do enjoy. But I get what your saying.

 

[mmascari]

or one guy called 4.8M times

I do not want to know what time scale he is forced to track to. The paperwork must be soul crushing.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Even today with everything open the Walmarts.. Home Depot’s.. probably 90% of the restaurants out there are still doing order online and have it delivered to your car or pick up right inside the door because much of the population still doesn’t want to go out. I think that’s here to stay. I have no worries about masking up and going in somewhere but I never do anymore just because it’s so convenient now with delivery right to the car. The hours a week in savings is worth it.

While true I wonder how much of that is because people don’t want to go into stores compared to it just being a new way to shop. Amazon has been taking more and more business away from stores for years but now with online order and pick up it’s taken away some of amazons convenience advantage. I also wonder how many people now get to go food because they can now easily and quickly get restaurant quality food for only a few dollars more than fast food.

The stores around here are as packed as ever but the curbside seems to de well also. Personally I get restaurant “to go“ once or twice every week now, I don’t eat out less, I‘ve just replaced the occasional fast food stop with restaurant food instead.

 

[Andrew C]

I’ve never considered going out to the hardware stores or for groceries “ out for activities “ but that’s me. I like the freeing up of my time doing curbside for activities I do enjoy. But I get what your saying.

That is the convenience thing, where you are still providing a company your business, but in a more convenient way for you. I did curbside grocery pickup before the pandemic, after we had our second kid, for the convenience. The other piece is just not wanting to do normal activities out of the home because it makes people uncomfortable. That seems differ based on where you live.

Going back to the DL example, not being able to open up that park sooner based on state restrictions hurt DL, DL CM's, the Walt Disney Company as a whole, and the surrounding businesses of DL. The state didn't have to do that. That was a choice they made. And as we all remember, these parks throughout that state were not happy. Lockdown measures such as curfews, limiting hours of operations, limiting capacity hurts people and their businesses. It will slow economic growth/recovery. We are past the point of "these lockdown measures are necessary to have businesses (people) and the economy to have a chance of recovering. Until we deal with the virus, they cannot recover" That just didn't pan out (or it was an appropriate stance that no longer holds water based on where we are now)...many places throughout the world continue to go into lockdowns over and over, for each wave, which stops recovery. It is not just the virus, it is the choices that are made as a reaction to it. It is not just people making personal choices. It all has an impact.

 

[Andrew C]

While true I wonder how much of that is because people don’t want to go into stores compared to it just being a new way to shop. Amazon has been taking more and more business away from stores for years but now with online order and pick up it’s taken away some of amazons convenience advantage. I also wonder how many people now get to go food because they can now easily and quickly get restaurant quality food for only a few dollars more than fast food.

The stores around here are as packed as ever but the curbside seems to de well also. Personally I get restaurant “to go“ once or twice every week now, I don’t eat out less, I‘ve just replaced the occasional fast food stop with restaurant food instead.

I have always been lazy and prefer to order when I can. That was happening with or without the pandemic. It may have gotten accelerated a bit though....

 

[Lilofan]

Good news for the immunocompromised . Rite-Aid which has locations in several states has updated their online vaccine appt scheduler to include ones who have received three shots of Moderna or Pfizer to now schedule a fourth shot moving forward!

 

[Polkadotdress]

It may not be an issue if a good percentage of those unvaccinated got COVID already.

The jury is still out on that.

And, pairing our vaccine “team” results with other countries like Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Ethiopia is just…embarrassing.

 

[maui2k7]

Bets on when Disney removes the mask policies?

My guess is the earliest would be spring break (March) with more likely by Easter (April). Assuming cases continue to drop and level off at a very low level.

 

[correcaminos]

Bets on when Disney removes the mask policies?

My guess is the earliest would be spring break (March) with more likely by Easter (April). Assuming cases continue to drop and level off at a very low level.

March 18th - day after I leave

 

[JoeCamel]

Bets on when Disney removes the mask policies?

My guess is the earliest would be spring break (March) with more likely by Easter (April). Assuming cases continue to drop and level off at a very low level.

Have you checked the inventory levels and confirmed shipments? Day after those supplies are exhausted unless something like Omicron comes on. With only 5% vaccinated in many countries it is almost a given another variant will arise. Took two months for the last one to sweep the world, maybe the "bubble" will be spared the next one and you can greet Lady Tremaine without having to wear a mask.

 

[DC0703]

After seeing the headline I was happy about the findings. When digging in deeper I found this:


“Study limitations include lack of direct neutralization assays, the fact that antibody levels alone do not directly equate to immunity,4,6 the cross-sectional study design, a convenience sample with an unknown degree of selection bias due to public recruitment, self-reported COVID-19 test results, the study population being largely White and healthy, and lack of information on breakthrough infections. Participants were given only 1 month to complete antibody testing, which may have contributed to the 52% rate among those invited to test.”

“Although evidence of natural immunity in unvaccinated healthy US adults up to 20 months after confirmed COVID-19 infection is encouraging, it is unclear how these antibody levels correlate with protection against future SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly with emerging variants. The public health implications and long-term understanding of these findings merit further consideration.”

That’s a lot of limitations. Let’s hope further, more in-depth studies show its correct.
On a personal note, in looking at the comments I thought I was watching a certain cable news channel. Then I dug into the doctor more and he’s a regular contributor on the channel. Doesn’t make me believe or not believe what he says but it does seem to be a agenda. Hopefully I’m reading it wrong.

The limitation noted about possible selection bias is particularly important. Subjects were recruited via ads on Facebook and Twitter. It's very possible that a portion of the subjects had an agenda when they signed up for this trial. Anti-vaccination and anti-mandate activism is prolific on both of those platforms and the trial period, Sept-Oct 2021, was a time when vaccine mandates were in the headlines daily.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That is the mindset in particular areas, I understand. The population around here definitely does, and do, want to go out for activities. It is up to other areas to decide whether they want to overcome whatever is holding them back. Doing things out of convenience is one thing. But not wanting to go out because your are not comfortable doing so is another...and that is regional.

I travel for work. The areas I’ve been in have been all over the map politically and i haven’t seen any restaurants that are at pre-covid capacity. They seem to always be 50-80% empty.

Obviously that’s just my anecdotal observations.

 

[Touchdown]

The limitation noted about possible selection bias is particularly important. Subjects were recruited via ads on Facebook and Twitter. It's very possible that a portion of the subjects had an agenda when they signed up for this trial. Anti-vaccination and anti-mandate activism is prolific on both of those platforms and the trial period, Sept-Oct 2021, was a time when vaccine mandates were in the headlines daily.

Not to mention survival bias as obviously, anyone who died of Covid could not participate in the study.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Bets on when Disney removes the mask policies?

My guess is the earliest would be spring break (March) with more likely by Easter (April). Assuming cases continue to drop and level off at a very low level.

MSN

www.msn.com

Wanna bet? Read this.

 

[SingleRider]

March 18th - day after I leave

Outdoor masks and temperature checks were removed on my last day there in May of last year. It would be my luck that the indoor masks are removed the last day of my next trip…

 

[mmascari]

It’s an early release, so go ahead and find all the flaws in it.

Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use in Indoor ...

This report describes face mask or respirator effectiveness in helping protect against COVID-19 infection.

www.cdc.gov

Before Omicron too.

Otherwise, that’s some nice improvement from something useless.


PS: Based on my trip, it’ll be July before they’re dropped.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Bets on when Disney removes the mask policies?

When Orange county turns blue...

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

 

[StarWarsGirl]

 

[maui2k7]

It’s an early release, so go ahead and find all the flaws in it.

Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use in Indoor ...

This report describes face mask or respirator effectiveness in helping protect against COVID-19 infection.

www.cdc.gov

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Before Omicron too.

Otherwise, that’s some nice improvement from something useless.


PS: Based on my trip, it’ll be July before they’re dropped.

A California based study posted by the CDC about a version of the virus that is essentially gone (Delta) is not going to get more people to mask up at this point for Omicron. The 7 day avg is down more than 50% since the peak in Jan and continuing to trend down at a good clip. Those who wear masks will continue to do so until told they don’t need to and those that don’t are not going to start now.