Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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mmascari

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Unfortunately, immunity from previous infections isn't as durable as vaccination, especially with Omicron. However, they might give us a slight respite for a few months.
Do any of the opinion articles/pundits who are big into prior infection actually call it prior infection or do they all refer to it as natural immunity?

That seems like an easy and huge tell about an opinion piece or biased agenda. Calling it natural immunity is super misleading. Like there's some number of people that are just naturally immune and wouldn't even catch COVID. The ones that say prior infection are at least honest about it. I would assume any peer reviewed study is going to call it prior infection since that's what they're talking about.
 

DisneyDebRob

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After seeing the headline I was happy about the findings. When digging in deeper I found this:


“Study limitations include lack of direct neutralization assays, the fact that antibody levels alone do not directly equate to immunity,4,6 the cross-sectional study design, a convenience sample with an unknown degree of selection bias due to public recruitment, self-reported COVID-19 test results, the study population being largely White and healthy, and lack of information on breakthrough infections. Participants were given only 1 month to complete antibody testing, which may have contributed to the 52% rate among those invited to test.”

“Although evidence of natural immunity in unvaccinated healthy US adults up to 20 months after confirmed COVID-19 infection is encouraging, it is unclear how these antibody levels correlate with protection against future SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly with emerging variants. The public health implications and long-term understanding of these findings merit further consideration.”

That’s a lot of limitations. Let’s hope further, more in-depth studies show its correct.
On a personal note, in looking at the comments I thought I was watching a certain cable news channel. Then I dug into the doctor more and he’s a regular contributor on the channel. Doesn’t make me believe or not believe what he says but it does seem to be a agenda. Hopefully I’m reading it wrong.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Do any of the opinion articles/pundits who are big into prior infection actually call it prior infection or do they all refer to it as natural immunity?

That seems like an easy and huge tell about an opinion piece or biased agenda. Calling it natural immunity is super misleading. Like there's some number of people that are just naturally immune and wouldn't even catch COVID. The ones that say prior infection are at least honest about it. I would assume any peer reviewed study is going to call it prior infection since that's what they're talking about.
The term natural immunity has been used interchangeably with prior infection since the beginning. Experts has used both terms, including those from the CDC. Both are used in texts, articles, etc. So if any pundit is using it, it isn't like the person is pulling this term out of their butt. From the CDC website where they explain which is better...

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lazyboy97o

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Do any of the opinion articles/pundits who are big into prior infection actually call it prior infection or do they all refer to it as natural immunity?

That seems like an easy and huge tell about an opinion piece or biased agenda. Calling it natural immunity is super misleading. Like there's some number of people that are just naturally immune and wouldn't even catch COVID. The ones that say prior infection are at least honest about it. I would assume any peer reviewed study is going to call it prior infection since that's what they're talking about.
It also implies a superior, safer and more health conscious means. That’s the whole reason products are touted as “natural.”
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I love that they put it in quotes in the answer. 🤣

Still feels like it's trying to be misleading.

Some of those really early articles about it from back in 2020, I think they were trying to be misleading.

Obligatory reference:
You are making an assumption based on your dislike for the term. I just posted a study that uses this term. See below again. The media also uses this term all the time and experts respond to questions using this term because everyone understand the reference.

This study is referenced in the below CDC report..

Here is Dr. Gupta using the term at the end of this clip, and Fauci responds because he understands what he is referring to...
 

JoeCamel

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That is another good example. My company just went to a big tradeshow in our industry. There were no mandates that would have impacted the ability of exhibitors or attendees from going but attendance from both groups was down from pre-pandemic levels.
The airlines are certainly feeling it, that coupled with the weather and slow orders from new planes the whole industry is depressed. Be a good ETF to get if this is the bottom, two years post pandemic should be a resurgence for the sector.
I bought some JETS back last spring when it seemed we had a handle on it but sold in the fall when it became apparent we were nowhere close to working as normal again.
 

G00fyDad

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The airlines are certainly feeling it, that coupled with the weather and slow orders from new planes the whole industry is depressed. Be a good ETF to get if this is the bottom, two years post pandemic should be a resurgence for the sector.
I bought some JETS back last spring when it seemed we had a handle on it but sold in the fall when it became apparent we were nowhere close to working as normal again.
I just bought my airline tickets ($2400 for 4 seats) so I'm doing my part. 😁
 

mmascari

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You are making an assumption based on your dislike for the term.
I do, because it feels misleading. Was that not clear when I wrote "Still feels like it's trying to be misleading." Indicating even if it's used, it still feels that way to me.

I just posted a study that uses this term. See below again. The media also uses this term all the time and experts respond to questions using this term because everyone understand the reference.
It's not like the media has ever been crap and just repeated what someone else says before and called that news. If I said the sky was red and was important enough to be reported on by the media, most of them would simply state that "says the sky is red" and then move on without questioning it at all.

That one does indeed use it.
This study is referenced in the below CDC report..
This one calls it "Previous COVID-19" and the only use of "natural" is in reference to the first study. Presumably, the data in the first study is relevant and they want to reference it, which means using the title. But, they changed the language then to the more accurate description.

Here is Dr. Gupta using the term at the end of this clip, and Fauci responds because he understands what he is referring to...

I'm not saying experts and others don't understand what it means. I'm saying that it's a misleading way to talk about it. That clip is interesting, I had to back it up and listen to the response again. Gupta did say natural immunity (more as media type than a doctor, so see above about the media). Clearly, Fauci will know what he's talking about, misleading isn't the same as nonsense. However, Fauci didn't say it back. He called it "natural infection" in the response. Just like "prior infection" that's a much more accurate description. Since it's not about someone just being immune, it's specifically about someone after they've been infected. Anything that calls it out as having been infected is much more accurate than calling it immunity. The immunity language sounds better and glosses over the infection part.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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It’s amazing how this canard keeps getting preached. We saw people start reacting on their own before lockdowns. We saw essential businesses disrupted by illness during lockdowns. We continue to see disruptions without lockdowns. The idea that things would have just carried on just fine has no basis in what has happened and continues to happen.

Financial damage was definitely going to happen either way but the lockdowns caused more damage, Disney is the perfect example, WDW took a financial hit in 2020 even with no lockdown but DL (and it’s employees) suffered a 100% financial loss due to the lockdowns. Both are bad but one is much worse.

LV is another great example, we’ve struggled over the last couple years despite being open but it’s infinitely better now than it was during those few months while everything was locked down.

The locksdowns are thankfully history now but it’s good to learn from the past and know what worked and what didn’t.
 

lazyboy97o

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Financial damage was definitely going to happen either way but the lockdowns caused more damage, Disney is the perfect example, WDW took a financial hit in 2020 even with no lockdown but DL (and it’s employees) suffered a 100% financial loss due to the lockdowns. Both are bad but one is much worse.

LV is another great example, we’ve struggled over the last couple years despite being open but it’s infinitely better now than it was during those few months while everything was locked down.

The locksdowns are thankfully history now but it’s good to learn from the past and know what worked and what didn’t.
This still assumes that everything would have proceeded as they did and that things couldn’t get worse, that people would just ignore the situation and wouldn’t react on their own. Businesses like Disney and Universal chose to shut down. Disney chose to keep Walt Disney World shut down.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Financial damage was definitely going to happen either way but the lockdowns caused more damage, Disney is the perfect example, WDW took a financial hit in 2020 even with no lockdown but DL (and it’s employees) suffered a 100% financial loss due to the lockdowns. Both are bad but one is much worse.
Yep. DL would have opened much sooner if not for state restrictions and would have been bringing in at least some revenue. So while the situation wasn't great for them due to the pandemic itself, the lockdown in the state made it even worse as you said. And there are other examples of similar situations. Basically, the longer lockdowns went, the longer/harder it was for businesses to ramp up and recover.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Yep. Definitely a contributing factor. It was tough in many ways. Still is.
Even today with everything open the Walmarts.. Home Depot’s.. pharmacies..grocery stores... probably 90% of the restaurants out there are still doing order online and have it delivered to your car or pick up right inside the door because much of the population still doesn’t want to go out. I think that’s here to stay. I have no worries about masking up and going in somewhere but I never do anymore just because it’s so convenient now with delivery right to the car. The hours a week in savings is worth it.
 
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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
90% of the restaurants out there are still doing order online and have it delivered to your car or pick up right inside the door because much of the population still doesn’t want to go out.
That is the mindset in particular areas, I understand. The population around here definitely does, and do, want to go out for activities. It is up to other areas to decide whether they want to overcome whatever is holding them back. Doing things out of convenience is one thing. But not wanting to go out because your are not comfortable doing so is another...and that is regional.
 

danlb_2000

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This still assumes that everything would have proceeded as they did and that things couldn’t get worse, that people would just ignore the situation and wouldn’t react on their own. Businesses like Disney and Universal chose to shut down. Disney chose to keep Walt Disney World shut down.

... and in most states the full lockdowns didn't last that long, but the impact of the virus itself has dragged on much longer.
 
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