Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Well, thats stinks. How it could end if virus will never changing? Mutations are getting scary as this year brings like last year and 2020. But who knows maybe the pandemic will ending this year for the world as 70% people vaccinated as no more masks forever.

Because our immune system learns to destroy it.

Once our immune system knows how to destroy it we stop getting sick, or more accurately we stop getting seriously sick.

It’s how the 1918 pandemic ended. It didn’t mutate away and we didn’t vaccinate it away, it infected virtually everyone and our immune systems adapted to it and learned how to defeat it.

Thankfully we have vaccines this time so we don’t need to get infected for our immune system to learn.

 

[mellyf]

Kids in my district are testing positive. The friend I spoke of their kids are all testing positive. Legally our schools have to report cases. When we were getting a handful a week we are now getting that per day.

If you are implying that covid numbers aren't as bad as schools are saying I'm at a loss for words. As a parent I can tell you there likely unreported cases in our schools here. There are no inflated numbers.

As a teacher I can tell you that there are parents sending their students to school with symptoms. I had a student throw up in my class on Wednesday. He tested positive. He told the nurse he'd had a headache since Monday, but his mother had given him Tylenol. This happens over and over. Since we've been back from winter break, I've had 1/3 of my class absent. Most other classes in my building are similar.

 

[JoeCamel]

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t pandemics end because people get immunity to the virus?

Sure it could end via mutation but my understanding is even if the virus never changed the pandemic would eventually end when enough immune systems adapted to it.

They aren’t speculating this will end because Omicron is less dangerous, they are speculating it’ll end because 70% are vaccinated and it’s so contagious that nearly a million Americans are getting sick (and some level of natural immunity) every day.

Once a disease runs out of easy victims to infect (aka people who’s immune systems can’t fight it) it can’t spread like it used to and the pandemic ends.

Because our immune system learns to destroy it.

Once our immune system knows how to destroy it we stop getting sick, or more accurately we stop getting seriously sick.

It’s how the 1918 pandemic ended. It didn’t mutate away and we didn’t vaccinate it away, it infected virtually everyone and our immune systems adapted to it and learned how to defeat it.

Thankfully we have vaccines this time so we don’t need to get infected for our immune system to learn.

The immune system helps protect from a virus it recognizes and there may be some overlap to similar strains but if this mutates into an unknown strain it is back to square one.
You are aware of reports of multiple covid infections in the same person? It isn't blanket immunity but a resistance to a very specific cell with a spot the guardians of your body have seen before.

 

[DisneyCane]

Does anybody who supports vaccine mandates and strict mitigation want to take a shot at explaining why Australia, which has 77.5% of the population fully vaccinated and all kinds of crazy mitigation, is having a worse Omicron outbreak in cases per capita than FL (and many other States in the US) which has 64% fully vaccinated and very little mitigation?

The shape of the Omicron curve in Australia looks essentially the same as it does everywhere else.

 

[Lilofan]

I thought medical marijuana cures everything. At least that's how they make it sound when advocating for legalizing it.

That is pure misinformation.

 

[Nubs70]

Does anybody who supports vaccine mandates and strict mitigation want to take a shot at explaining why Australia, which has 77.5% of the population fully vaccinated and all kinds of crazy mitigation, is having a worse Omicron outbreak in cases per capita than FL (and many other States in the US) which has 64% fully vaccinated and very little mitigation?

The shape of the Omicron curve in Australia looks essentially the same as it does everywhere else.

Seems "The Science" is not settled and the "Shield of Virtue" does not protect.

 

[RoadiJeff]

Does anybody who supports vaccine mandates and strict mitigation want to take a shot at explaining why Australia, which has 77.5% of the population fully vaccinated and all kinds of crazy mitigation, is having a worse Omicron outbreak in cases per capita than FL (and many other States in the US) which has 64% fully vaccinated and very little mitigation?

The shape of the Omicron curve in Australia looks essentially the same as it does everywhere else.

Sure. Here's an article on it. In summary, Western Australia continues to have strict lockdowns and a very low COVID rate. Eastern Australia relaxed their lockdowns and the COVID rate skyrocketed. Continue wearing your mask.

Omicron Wave Surges in Australia ​

Highlights from the article:

In New South Wales, where many disease-control restrictions have been lifted and more than 90% of the eligible population is fully vaccinated; government data has shown there are more than 337,000 active coronavirus cases.

In Western Australia, where the state government has imposed some of Australia’s strictest internal border controls, there are just over 100 active cases.

“Certainly, it is very, very popular because they basically have not had any problems in Western Australia. I have been looking at the data and it is very low-risk in Western Australia, indeed," McLaws said. "So, the active number of cases yesterday in Western Australia per 100,000 people was 3, and then you know what it was in New South Wales? Three thousand seven hundred forty-two.”

 

[DisneyCane]

Sure. Here's an article on it. In summary, Western Australia continues to have strict lockdowns and a very low COVID rate. Eastern Australia relaxed their lockdowns and the COVID rate skyrocketed. Continue wearing your mask.

Omicron Wave Surges in Australia​

Highlights from the article:

In New South Wales, where many disease-control restrictions have been lifted and more than 90% of the eligible population is fully vaccinated; government data has shown there are more than 337,000 active coronavirus cases.

In Western Australia, where the state government has imposed some of Australia’s strictest internal border controls, there are just over 100 active cases.

“Certainly, it is very, very popular because they basically have not had any problems in Western Australia. I have been looking at the data and it is very low-risk in Western Australia, indeed," McLaws said. "So, the active number of cases yesterday in Western Australia per 100,000 people was 3, and then you know what it was in New South Wales? Three thousand seven hundred forty-two.”

My conclusion based on that article is that travel restrictions have prevented Omicron from getting into Western Australia not that vaccination or mitigation is preventing it from spreading there.

It will be interesting to see what happens February 5 if there is still a decent amount of Omicron in the rest of the country when they reopen travel.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I wonder what the virus could mutating even worse than Delta and Omicron by months as the pandemic may be longer for years....

 

[MisterPenguin]

So, among the anti-vaxxers, Australia is the new Israel Canada.

 

[correcaminos]

As a teacher I can tell you that there are parents sending their students to school with symptoms. I had a student throw up in my class on Wednesday. He tested positive. He told the nurse he'd had a headache since Monday, but his mother had given him Tylenol. This happens over and over. Since we've been back from winter break, I've had 1/3 of my class absent. Most other classes in my building are similar.

Not shocking at all. I know more than one person who didn't think to test because it was GI or just a <fill in the blank> symptom. I hope you get through this. We're told here the majority are omicron. Waiting on the peak.... not quite yet. My heart goes out to all teachers right now. You really are being given a really tough job.

 

[Nubs70]

Yup, improves probability against hospitalization and death but little durability against probability of infection.

 

[LittleBuford]

Yup, improves probability against hospitalization and death but little durability against probability of infection.

You phrase it as if the bolded weren’t already a massive deal in itself.

 

[Nubs70]

You phrase it as if the bolded weren’t already a massive deal in itself.

Yet it is less than what was promised. We were promised that if we got vaccinated we would not contract Covid. Post vaccination infection was described as rare "breakthrough" infections. We now know that post vaccination infection and transmission is rather common. Overall, a.global over promise and under deliver.

 

[maui2k7]

Seeing how often people demean one another for various reasons (typically for disagreeing with their view) it makes me wonder
what exactly is the purpose of this thread anymore?

 

[Incomudro]

You phrase it as if the bolded weren’t already a massive deal in itself.

Being healthy in the first place does that too.
We should emphasize that now, and going forward.

 

[LittleBuford]

Seeing how often people demean one another for various reasons (typically for disagreeing with their view) it makes me wonder
what exactly is the purpose of this thread anymore?

I truly have no issue with people voicing alternative perspectives. Spirited but civil debate is a good thing in my eyes. What bothers me is when people repeatedly try to stir the pot with the same attempted gotchas, no matter how many times (or how politely) their claims and insinuations are shown to be false. At that point, one has to wonder what the posters in question are hoping to achieve and whether they are contributing to the discussion in good faith.

 

[DisneyFan32]

MSN

www.msn.com

The World Health Organization has warned of more COVID-19 mutations, despite encouraging initial studies suggesting that the highly transmissible Omicron variant is less severe than previous strains of the virus.

Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Dr. David Nabarro, a WHO special envoy for COVID-19, said there was "light at the end of the tunnel" for Britain in tackling the coronavirus.

"Looking at it from a U.K. point of view, there does appear to be light at the end of the tunnel…I think that it's going to be bumpy before we get to the end," he said.

"So even though it's possible to start imagining that the end of the pandemic is not far away, just everybody be ready for the possibility that there will be more variations and mutations coming along, or that there will be further challenges, other surges of even Omicron coming."

Nabarro pointed out that children did not get very ill from the disease, and that "we're going to have children acting as vectors of the virus for some time to come."

He warned that the public still needed to be "respectful of this virus."

"Do what you can to stop transmitting it. Do what you can to protect others from being affected by it. It's not the common cold," Nabarro said.

"I know people would like it to be but it's a virus that has still some really unpleasant features. Let's do our best to protect people from it if we possibly can."

On Sunday, the U.S. surgeon general warned that Omicron had not yet peaked in America. In an interview with CNN's State of the Nation, Dr. Vivek Murthy said "we shouldn't expect a national peak in the coming days" and that the next few weeks will be "tough."

Omicron has fueled a new wave of COVID cases in the United States, with the seven-day average of new daily cases being 801,903 as of Sunday, according to data from The New York Times.

As of Sunday, 142,388 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 nationwide, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the highest number yet. The previous peak was 142,315 reported on January 14, 2021.

The new variant appears to have peaked in some states, such as New York and New Jersey, but has not in many others.

Despite these worrying numbers, there have been several studies that suggest the new variant is less deadly and Moderna Inc. co-founder Noubar Afeyan told Bloomberg on January 14 that the pandemic may go into endemic phase this year.

I'm so worried about next mutating virus turning bad or less deadly in months. We'll never go out of the woods, pandemic will never ending this year, masks will be longer to be gone for trains, buses, planes as places too.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Being healthy in the first place does that too.
We should emphasize that now, and going forward.

Nowhere near the same.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yet it is less than what was promised. We were promised that if we got vaccinated we would not contract Covid. Post vaccination infection was described as rare "breakthrough" infections. We now know that post vaccination infection and transmission is rather common. Overall, a.global over promise and under deliver.

People who promised that were clearly extrapolating to much from the actual facts. The facts were that in the trials, the vaccines were extremely good at preventing symptomatic infection. Those trial were done when specific variants of COVID were in circulation. From those fact we had no way of knowing how the vaccines would work with future variants. They still provide very good protection from severe illness and death, but are not as effective at protecting against symptomatic infection from some of the current variants.