Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Who promised you? Please provide info . If not, this is misinformation.
President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said.

 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Because there are people who insist that vaccine mandates and masks are the solution to the spread of COVID and constantly point out everything places like Florida are doing "wrong." Well, the places doing everything "right" have similar spread of Omicron.

You give your own answer...

I'm not anti-vax, I'm just honest with what they accomplish which is, especially in the face of Omicron,

You acknowledge Omicron is somehow "especially" something. Especially what?

More contagious.

That's why it's getting past mitigation moreso than the other variants.

And Australia doesn't have a vaccine mandate for all its citizens, so, points for muddying the waters. We see you slip that in there.
 

DisneyCane

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You give your own answer...



You acknowledge Omicron is somehow "especially" something. Especially what?

More contagious.

That's why it's getting past mitigation moreso than the other variants.

And Australia doesn't have a vaccine mandate for all its citizens, so, points for muddying the waters. We see you slip that in there.
Yet you and others continue to insist that these things are the solution even though Omicron is accounting for pretty much all issues worldwide.

I didn't say Australia had a vaccine mandate. If they did the percentage vaccinated would be much closer to 100%. My reference to places "doing everything right" according to many on here was about mask mandates and vaccine passports because many places are doing those things.
That was never how vaccines work.

I'm sorry that such basic medicine was never taught to you.

Now that you know, you can let it go and stop bringing it up.
It doesn't matter if "that was never how vaccines work." @Nubs70 is correct that it was the messaging behind these vaccines.
Nobody was ever promised they would 100% never get the virus if they were vaccinated, even before Delta and Omicron came around. Why do you insist on lying? Here's some advice: if the only way to "prove" that you're right is to lie then you're wrong.
Misinformation cuts both ways:

"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." This was one of many similar quotes along the same lines from the powers that be.
 

Chip Chipperson

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Yet you and others continue to insist that these things are the solution even though Omicron is accounting for pretty much all issues worldwide.

I didn't say Australia had a vaccine mandate. If they did the percentage vaccinated would be much closer to 100%. My reference to places "doing everything right" according to many on here was about mask mandates and vaccine passports because many places are doing those things.

It doesn't matter if "that was never how vaccines work." @Nubs70 is correct that it was the messaging behind these vaccines.

Misinformation cuts both ways:

"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." This was one of many similar quotes along the same lines from the powers that be.

Who said that? The only messaging I saw was that they were effective to varying degrees depending on the manufacturer. I have not heard or seen any government officials or pharmaceutical executives claim that they are 100% effective at preventing infection.
 

DisneyCane

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Who said that? The only messaging I saw was that they were effective to varying degrees depending on the manufacturer. I have not heard or seen any government officials or pharmaceutical executives claim that they are 100% effective at preventing infection.
Google the quote. It's on video from a CNN town hall. I don't want to risk violating forum rules with a more specific answer.
 

The Mom

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I've made a list of posters who will be taking a little break if the arguing, insults, etc continue. If you find you are unable to post in this thread for a while, that is the reason. Please know that posters from both sides of the vaccination issue will have a temporary ban, so do not message me with "But what about....?"

And the list can have more names added.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes

The World Health Organization has warned of more COVID-19 mutations, despite encouraging initial studies suggesting that the highly transmissible Omicron variant is less severe than previous strains of the virus.

Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Dr. David Nabarro, a WHO special envoy for COVID-19, said there was "light at the end of the tunnel" for Britain in tackling the coronavirus.

"Looking at it from a U.K. point of view, there does appear to be light at the end of the tunnel…I think that it's going to be bumpy before we get to the end," he said.

"So even though it's possible to start imagining that the end of the pandemic is not far away, just everybody be ready for the possibility that there will be more variations and mutations coming along, or that there will be further challenges, other surges of even Omicron coming."

Nabarro pointed out that children did not get very ill from the disease, and that "we're going to have children acting as vectors of the virus for some time to come."

He warned that the public still needed to be "respectful of this virus."

"Do what you can to stop transmitting it. Do what you can to protect others from being affected by it. It's not the common cold," Nabarro said.

"I know people would like it to be but it's a virus that has still some really unpleasant features. Let's do our best to protect people from it if we possibly can."

On Sunday, the U.S. surgeon general warned that Omicron had not yet peaked in America. In an interview with CNN's State of the Nation, Dr. Vivek Murthy said "we shouldn't expect a national peak in the coming days" and that the next few weeks will be "tough."

Omicron has fueled a new wave of COVID cases in the United States, with the seven-day average of new daily cases being 801,903 as of Sunday, according to data from The New York Times.

As of Sunday, 142,388 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 nationwide, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the highest number yet. The previous peak was 142,315 reported on January 14, 2021.

The new variant appears to have peaked in some states, such as New York and New Jersey, but has not in many others.

Despite these worrying numbers, there have been several studies that suggest the new variant is less deadly and Moderna Inc. co-founder Noubar Afeyan told Bloomberg on January 14 that the pandemic may go into endemic phase this year.

I'm so worried about next mutating virus turning bad or less deadly in months. We'll never go out of the woods, pandemic will never ending this year, masks will be longer to be gone for trains, buses, planes as places too.
Even this is the future of the pandemic holds this year...if the virus will get worse or not.
 

Lilofan

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I am not skeptical that it helps lessen the symptoms but feel it’s more of therapeutic than a vaccine.
Therapeutic like a medication? Do not agree but I'm in the crowd that feels also it lessen the symptoms . The ones I know ( example - one currently on a ventilator / feeding tube that did not want / get the vaccine ) probably wishes he got the vaccine.
 

Lilofan

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Today I heard on a podcast that roughly 20% of WDW staff may be down with COVID due to Omicron. Do we have anyone here that can comment on this?
If one goes to the parks and resorts and sees limited or no offerings in certain locations, then there is no surprise.
 

correcaminos

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Today I heard on a podcast that roughly 20% of WDW staff may be down with COVID due to Omicron. Do we have anyone here that can comment on this?
I don't do podcasts really, but can you share where as I am curious to listen? I have a few people I can ask around. It could be high or it could be true. Hard to know. We all know that RnR had issues for a while and many stated it was due to staff being out.

Even this is the future of the pandemic holds this year...if the virus will get worse or not.
That's the issue, no one knows.
 

correcaminos

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Therapeutic like a medication? Do not agree but I'm in the crowd that feels also it lessen the symptoms . The ones I know ( example - one currently on a ventilator / feeding tube that did not want / get the vaccine ) probably wishes he got the vaccine.
The idea of therapeutics is a newish idea coming from some anti-vax groups. Much like those who say it's a shot and not a vaccine. It's hard to dispel these ideas as we are such a mess in other ways. But it's a talking point to get people to not vax or boost. And I'm not entirely sure why. One person I know is anti-pharm - the type that believes it's all about money. So there is some of that for some. But it is, in the end a newer way of talking about why vaccines aren't needed. I heard this first earlier in the fall. My response to the people is that, it's not a theraputic and it is a vaccine but not to argue too much. I actually get and sympathize with big pharm being money grubbing but it's one that I find is harder to disprove without long winded arguments. I save it for the doctors to talk about lol
 

maui2k7

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I don't do podcasts really, but can you share where as I am curious to listen? I have a few people I can ask around. It could be high or it could be true. Hard to know. We all know that RnR had issues for a while and many stated it was due to staff being out.
It was on The Disney Dish with Len Testa and Jim Hill
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
Similar was said in other speeches. It wasn't just one mistake. It was the messaging at the time.
And it's since been corrected in subsequent speeches. It was done at a time when we were pleading for people to vaccinate as well. Even in that exact same speech it was stated you could get sick, but preventing deaths was what we were seeing at the time with vaccines. That was mentioned later but people do a full stop unfortunately before even moving on. Listen to medical people not the government or business people. It was a mistake that as far as I know has not been repeated. Both past and current administration are pushing for vaccines and boosters. While both sides miss speak at times, they are no medical people and are on the same page. That says something. I am honestly saddened with how argumentative this thread is now.
 

mmascari

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Yes, that quote was unfortunate, but other quotes in the same town hall were more balanced. People just latched on to the one they wanted to.
Wait, are you saying lots of quotes and headlines lack the actual nuance of the context? That they’re just a part of the story from a time of different variants and not the whole truth in a vacuum? That we cannot take a clickbait headline as the whole truth on its own?

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Next you’ll tell me people do it on purpose to drive a story.
 
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