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Ah, wonderful. I'll have that to look forward to when I go back to work next week.
The implication is to restrict travel no? How would that be accomplished? Honor system, feds checking? rounding up? Might want to check my follow up post. My even bigger question was denial of care? What’s your stance on that?
Why would I need to acknowledge someone else’s point that I didn’t make or deny?
Shockingly no, but that’s hardly the norm. So good job so far?
Nope but interesting responses none the less. And to add I’m not the only one who has noticed the usual suspects will pounce on anything they don’t like.
I'll bet your wife has stories of someone testing positive in the hospital and immediately being quarantined and not allowed to leave the hospital. Followed by immediate contact tracing and then testing those contacts.
Still doesn't answer the question of whether there have ever been vaccine requirements for adults to enter places of business.
You’re getting ridiculous. You’re looking at a very specific use case and trying to claim it as somehow different than prohibiting people to go certain places, prohibiting people from engaging in certain types of work, school requirements that capture the vast majority of the population, university requirements that impact adults and compulsory vaccination that led to things like Jacobson v Massachusetts. Restricting access, restricting movement and penalties for acting or not acting for public health is not new. No, people weren’t barred from entering venues because they’d e imprisoned or forcibly committed to a quarantine hospital.
To build off your thoughts:
There has never been a pandemic, at this level of death/hospitalization, that had a vaccine available. If you don't want to be an active member of society then stay home, your choice.
Measles didn’t go away due to infections. Polio didn’t go away due to infections. Smallpox didn’t go away due to infections. Every wave has had people declaring that this will be the one where there will finally be enough infections. Vaccines are how you get widespread immunity and you do it without the high costs associated with infections.
Other countries are far more draconian in their approaches are they not as to how they are mitigating this are they not?
Likewise we’re there not instances of international travelers getting fined if they broke quarantine prior to X Days? Continued to their hotel rooms? A round up and keep them in one place? Sure sounds like the implication that I orginally
Now we are getting somewhere! So here’s the pickle: say someone smoked for X number of years. Denial of care? After all they did this to themselves. IV drug use and unprotected sex and get an STD? Denial of care? My point is it’s a really slippery slope to start with “screw them” when it’s someone else
The only ban travel ban/restrictions that would have worked was in the very beginning or had it never happened but there were plenty of fights on that one. No need to rehash.
I don’t worry about it, I commented on it.
no disagreement
I’m guessing I’m (likely) far more for an open Wild West type of forum than most and possibly.
We’ll aware of the TOS and read them quite a few times.
I don’t use the ignore feature on any forum I visit. Simply skimming of skipping works best IMO.
You’re better vaxxed than we are, and our Omicron wave looks to be just starting. I’m sure it won’t be decoupled around here, either.
Good point but places I am at could have had people in them ( elevators, conference rooms, bathrooms that particles in the air may be present. ). I'm trying to be safe than sorry and wear my mask. It is not always pleasant but I go home to taking care of an immunocompromised family member. I have worn my mask everywhere I go, wash hands, social distance and I had headaches different days of the week last week. I went to get PCR test and 48 hours it came back negative.
Not really a debate per se it’s simply timing. Now really off to patching.
If the vaccine that is available doesn't significantly curb the ability of the vaccinated to spread the disease (which is the case with the current vaccines and Omicron) then what is the justification to allow the vaccinated to do things that the unvaccinated aren't allowed to do?
In the context of "making harder for the unvaccinated to move about and live normally" and the question of "other diseases" along with "for any typical activity" and "in order to be able to go to restaurant". I'm saying that YES, we have restricted people from going to to a restaurant or doing any activity by not even allowing them to leave a hospital room, simply because they tested positive for a disease.
If you are trying to be safe than sorry, I hope you are wearing an N95 respirator or equivalent that fits correctly and that you change to a new one at the recommended frequency. If you are trying to protect your immunocompromised family member, a cloth mask or even a surgical mask isn't going to minimize the risk to them.
