Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

Rounding them up and restricting travel?

Given the propensity for posts getting reported and/or deleted I danced around it.

Let’s expand it then: if people are fine with restricting travel (which sounds like a ban on movement), next step after that doesn’t work? (because it sure doesn’t look it has.)

So next step is denying care right? It’s been mentioned here in this very thread before. After all, it’s only a pandemic of the unvaccinated? Surely it’s right strategy? Person didn’t get the vaccine they should be made to deal with the consequences of their choices? And if that’s the case we should apply the same standard to other diseases?

(I give this post about ~10 minutes before it’s reported).

The only people talking about rounding anyone up is people like you, who are so aghast at the idea but had no problem with the idea of “rounding up” and isolating the vulnerable. It was a great idea when it was others being “rounded up,” but isn’t so great now that it is you and yours.

If care is having to be rationed it tends to be focused on those with the best chances of survival. This also isn’t something new. The only person I’ve seen suggest just setting a cap on COVID admissions is part of the “let it rip” crowd.

 

[DisneyCane]

There is no need for anything else because the school requirements result in something like 90%+ getting vaccinated.

What about the people who were adults when the vaccines were first developed? Were adults required to have an MMR vaccine in 1971 in order to go to a Broadway show?

 

[lazyboy97o]

What about the people who were adults when the vaccines were first developed? Were adults required to have an MMR vaccine in 1971 in order to go to a Broadway show?

In the past, places were closed due to public health concerns and people were forcibly isolated. These things did happen. Go read up on Mary Mallon. She wasn’t just put up in a hotel, there was a whole facility that existed where she was quarantined. These things stopped happening with frequency because vaccines and modern medicine dramatically reduced cases and improved outcomes.

 

[Willmark]

The only people talking about rounding anyone up is people like you, who are so aghast at the idea but had no problem with the idea of “rounding up” and isolating the vulnerable.

I’ve stated that I’m fine with that? And “people like me”?

It was a great idea when it was others being “rounded up,” but isn’t so great now that it is you and yours.

I’ve stated that I’m fine with that?

If care is having to be rationed it tends to be focused on those with the best chances of survival.

Yes? And? I’m aware the triage system is a thing.

This also isn’t something new. The only person I’ve seen suggest just setting a cap on COVID admissions is part of the “let it rip” crowd.

And likewise in this very thread there are people who have suggested denying care and I’m fairly sure it’s not the let “it rip crowd.”

 

[DisneyFan32]

When Omicron wave will ever ending soon? February/March or April?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Rounding them up and restricting travel?

Given the propensity for posts getting reported and/or deleted I danced around it.

Let’s expand it then: if people are fine with restricting travel (which sounds like a ban on movement), next step after that doesn’t work? (because it sure doesn’t look like it has. Or perhaps we need to lock things down even more?)

So next step is denying care, right? It’s been mentioned here in this very thread before. After all, it’s only a pandemic of the unvaccinated? Surely it’s the right strategy? Person didn’t get the vaccine then they should be made to deal with the consequences of their choices? And if that’s the case we should apply the same standard to other diseases?

(I give this post about ~10 minutes before it’s reported).

If you don't like your posts being deleted, perhaps add something constructive besides your usual contrarianism.

 

[Willmark]

If you don't like your posts being deleted, perhaps add something constructive besides your usual contrarianism.

A bit rich considering the thread and the usual posters will and usually succeed to drown out out any contrary point. Like now.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Interesting new study, not yet peer reviewed.

Covid Science: Virus leaves antibodies that may attack healthy tissues

The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.

www.reuters.com

This may be more of an interest for pure research than for clinical applications. I had to look closely at the graphs in the linked study to even see which auto-antibodies they measured, and almost none of them are used with any frequency in clinical medicine. It should also be pointed out that the detection of autoantibodies does not automatically mean an autoimmune disease is present. I frequently have to explain to patients that their weakly positive antinuclear antibody result does not mean they definitely have lupus.

However, infections are common triggers for some autoimmune conditions, so it wouldn't surprise me if we did find an increase in certain autoimmune diseases when the final tally from COVID comes in.

 

[correcaminos]

The only people talking about rounding anyone up is people like you, who are so aghast at the idea but had no problem with the idea of “rounding up” and isolating the vulnerable. It was a great idea when it was others being “rounded up,” but isn’t so great now that it is you and yours.

If care is having to be rationed it tends to be focused on those with the best chances of survival. This also isn’t something new. The only person I’ve seen suggest just setting a cap on COVID admissions is part of the “let it rip” crowd.

IRL I'm seeing more people who are tired of unvaccinated taking up resources saying some of this. A very kind hearted friend normally said we need covid wards set up for unvaccinated by choice. When those fill, too bad so sad.

Not saying I agree, I just have been hearing more. Covid patients are a risk to others too. I know some who picked it up in the ER waiting for help (testing prior pointed to that) so I do understand why some are frustrated.

 

[Touchdown]

I cannot believe that we're back to early-2020 levels of test availability. I was a clear positive on an Abbot antigen test, but wanted ot schedule a PCR just to confirm. It's 5-8 days out around here for scheduling.

You don’t need to confirm, symptoms + any positive test means you have it, don’t waste the test. However, if you are on immunosuppressive medication call your doctor, you may qualify for monoclonal antibodies.

 

[Touchdown]

While I’m at it, I’m not ready to get aboard the optimism train about omicron not causing mass hospitalizations. Because at least in Wisconsin (62% fully vaxxed, 44% of those boosted) we aren’t seeing a decoupling of hospitalizations from infections yet:

Now this may be due to Delta previlance still (we were just peaking when omicron hit) but if this does not change soon it will be disastrous. Omicron will be fully responsible for hospitalizations in less then 2 weeks.

 

[Heppenheimer]

You don’t need to confirm, symptoms + any positive test means you have it, don’t waste the test. However, if you are on immunosuppressive medication call your doctor, you may qualify for monoclonal antibodies.

Just wondering, what are your local criteria for the monoclonal infusion? Ours are fairly broad, to include obesity, heart disease, COPD and asthma, diabetes, cancer, developmental disorders, anyone over age 65, ad well as taking immunosuppresive meds and several other conditions that I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[Jrb1979]

While I’m at it, I’m not ready to get aboard the optimism train about omicron not causing mass hospitalizations. Because at least in Wisconsin (62% fully vaxxed, 44% of those boosted) we aren’t seeing a decoupling of hospitalizations from infections yet:
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Now this may be due to Delta previlance still (we were just peaking when omicron hit) but if this does not change soon it will be disastrous. Omicron will be fully responsible for hospitalizations in less then 2 weeks.

I am expecting it to be disastrous. Just due to the percentage game. It may be milder in terms of symptoms. But when you have over 1 million cases a day you only need a small percentage of hospitalizations for it to be disastrous.

 

[Touchdown]

Just wondering, what are your local criteria for the monoclonal infusion? Ours are fairly broad, to include obseity, heart disease, COPD and asthma, diabetes, cancer, developmental disorders, anyone over age 65, ad well as taking immunosuppresive meds and several other conditions that I can't remember off the top of my head.

We are low on inventory and thus are limiting it only to unvaccinated individuals with risk factors and vaxxed people who are immunosuppressed (the poster I was replying to said he was vaxxed.)

 

[hopemax]

Sorry to tell you but this guy may be a great doc but he has an agenda. When I see things like :
1) Hospitalized for Covid: mostly unvaxxed or elderly/chronic ill & unboosted"
It gets my BS thoughts up. Did he miss the category of healthy people who are vaccinated but not boosted.

We have 3 categories here.
1. Unvaccinated
2. Chronically Ill
3. Unboosted

What about Vaccinated and not boosted? What about Chronically Ill that are vaccinated?

You do know it’s hard to cover everything in a Tweet thread, right? He’s describing the TWO categories (not three like you wrote out) that he’s seeing needing hospitalization. The lack of other categories indicate those people are mostly in the group recovering at home. In the comments he added more about the chronically ill who have been boosted and indicated those aren’t a large group of who need hospital care at this point in time.

1. Unvaccinated
2. Chronically ill who have been vaccinated but are not boosted.

I am not sure what you seem so upset about, other than it seems you misunderstood what he wrote.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

A bit rich considering the thread and the usual posters will and usually succeed to drown out out any contrary point. Like now.

You still haven't said who is being "rounded up" or acknowledged that there were existing vaccination requirements for international travel prior to this pandemic and your post hasn't been deleted, so are you really making a contrary point or just looking to play the victim?

 

[Heppenheimer]

You still haven't said who is being "rounded up" or acknowledged that there were existing vaccination requirements for international travel prior to this pandemic and your post hasn't been deleted, so are you really making a contrary point or just looking to play the victim?

Based on previous posting history, likely both.

 

[Heppenheimer]

We are low on inventory and thus are limiting it only to unvaccinated individuals with risk factors and vaxxed people who are immunosuppressed (the poster I was replying to said he was vaxxed.)

Ouch. That couldn't have hit at a worse time.

 

[Kevin_W]

We are low on inventory and thus are limiting it only to unvaccinated individuals with risk factors and vaxxed people who are immunosuppressed (the poster I was replying to said he was vaxxed.)

Good point about not wasting a test slot - thanks. I'm not immunocompromised either and with mild symptoms I wouldn't really qualify for any advanced treatment (or need it - save the limited resources for those that do need it). Though I could use some cough medicine to get some more sleep (dextromethorphan does nothing for me).

 

[Touchdown]

Ouch. That couldn't have hit at a worse time.

It’s mostly nationwide currently, only 1 of the 3 mabs work against omicron and we are in the middle of a wave, hence short supply.