Yodascousin
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South Africa has cancelled isolation for people who test positive but are asymptomatic and cancelled quarantine of both vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts due to the lower severity of omicron
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I know it was in a mocking tone above but, if you don’t have a medical exemption or age restriction I do believe that you are breaking the social contract of being a member of this society by not being vaccinated. You’ve been able to vaccinate without hassle for over 6 months now if you are an adult. Boosting was recommended for all only a month ago and kids 5-12 as well. There is still about 1-2 months before I include those as well.
You might have a choice but we conform to certain factors in order to join a society so that it can function. This is a matter of public health and should be required by this point, hate me all you want.
I also no longer feel sorry for anyone who gets the disease and isn’t vaccinated. It’s a coping mechanism since I have to deal with so many of them professionally. I do pity their family members, especially if they are vaccinated and tried in vain to get their loved one to change their mind. I also continue to pity vaccinated people who get sick. And I’m going to be pitying a lot more soon.
Parts of this country are already at the point where over 1 in 1000 have confirmed Covid, and it could get much worse. I suggest you start doing the math, and realizing that whenever you are in a public place with that many people to realize there is at least one person amongst you who is contagious. I’m pulling way back personally for awhile, I’m going to work, the grocery store, and seeing members of my immediate family whom I trust are doing the same. Essentially winding back the clock to late 2020. Until this wave has died down.
Want to make things get better sooner, get vaccinated and boosted. While there will be breakthroughs, you are still far less likely get the disease with a vaccine, and more importantly far, far less likely to get severe disease. To not do so, to put it in a conservative light, is extremely unpatriotic and a failure to do your duty as an American.
You might have a choice but we conform to certain factors in order to join a society so that it can function. This is a matter of public health and should be required by this point, hate me all you want.
I also no longer feel sorry for anyone who gets the disease and isn’t vaccinated. It’s a coping mechanism since I have to deal with so many of them professionally. I do pity their family members, especially if they are vaccinated and tried in vain to get their loved one to change their mind. I also continue to pity vaccinated people who get sick. And I’m going to be pitying a lot more soon.
Parts of this country are already at the point where over 1 in 1000 have confirmed Covid, and it could get much worse. I suggest you start doing the math, and realizing that whenever you are in a public place with that many people to realize there is at least one person amongst you who is contagious. I’m pulling way back personally for awhile, I’m going to work, the grocery store, and seeing members of my immediate family whom I trust are doing the same. Essentially winding back the clock to late 2020. Until this wave has died down.
Want to make things get better sooner, get vaccinated and boosted. While there will be breakthroughs, you are still far less likely get the disease with a vaccine, and more importantly far, far less likely to get severe disease. To not do so, to put it in a conservative light, is extremely unpatriotic and a failure to do your duty as an American.
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correcaminos
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Not speaking for myself either but those who work there or have children who attend. I think some universities will care. In my neck of the woods it's sad how little people care anymore.
GimpYancIent
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To everyone have a happy Christmas Holidays.
Bob Harlem
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Official ZA Government Source: https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/12...uarantine-and-isolation-protocols-23-12-2021/
This is the start of the end of the pandemic, just not quickly enough for most places and will take probably a good 6-8 months for these types of policies to spread to everywhere once the omicron wave subsides like it did (already) in South Africa.
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correcaminos
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Now I know you're just a troll. Happy Festivus
Not in the same way. Always been mild to asymptomatic comparatively. Vaccinated will likely not drive up hospitalizations based on reports. Truly more like a cold so far which is good.
South Africa STOPS contact tracing and quarantine
Health authorities in South Africa, where the Omicron strain first took off, said today that contact tracing would be halted with immediate effect, except for large gatherings or self-contained settings.
Jrb1979
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They won't be the ones tying up the hospitals for the most part.
Isn't it ironic for ones who get the vaccine , side with the anti vax critical of the vaccine being misled by conspiracy theories. That sounds like ones on TV talking through both sides of their mouth.
networkpro
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You're comparing apples and oranges. Vaccines are not 100% effective, but lessen the impact if one gets infected. The new variant is more transmissible than prior versions but seems to have for most a less severe impact that results in fewer hospitalizations. It's not about how a particular variation of this virus impacts others, it's about how it might impact you. You make the choice, you take whatever consequences result. Also participating in your decision are those around you, and those who depend on you, like your family.
The astronomical numbers of positive cases actually doesn't make me nervous, rather it calms me a bit.
The calm is that sooooo many are positive but either asymptomatic or with mild symptoms due to being vaccinated. Every study/report I'm reading so far really stresses that for the vaccinated, this is a mild strain. So seeing my family (vaccinated) tonight, I'm not nervous about it. Our hospitalizations have ticked up, but in relation to how many positives we are seeing a day, it's not yet alarming. (this is what i tell myself
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The nerves are for the unvaccinated burdening the hospitals, yet again.
The calm is that sooooo many are positive but either asymptomatic or with mild symptoms due to being vaccinated. Every study/report I'm reading so far really stresses that for the vaccinated, this is a mild strain. So seeing my family (vaccinated) tonight, I'm not nervous about it. Our hospitalizations have ticked up, but in relation to how many positives we are seeing a day, it's not yet alarming. (this is what i tell myself
)The nerves are for the unvaccinated burdening the hospitals, yet again.
sullyinMT
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Not even “the most part.” The vaccinated may be hospitalized, but not to a tying up hospitals level.
My county, recently ranging from 12-17:1 for unvaccinated:vaccinated Covid hospitalizations, is now at 33:0. Of course, that changes daily. But even if we get to where vaccinated hospitalizations are 100% of all hospitalizations because 100% of the population is vaccinated (not gonna happen, of course), 2 beds in a small county is way different than 35.
What does the capitalized partmean? I see it all over the internet and I haven't found 1 person that's pro-mask, vaccine and anti preventable deaths that your words apply to.
Jrb1979
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That's what I was getting at. I see it spewed by many here and other places from the anti establishment group. They constantly keep going on about living in fear and people not going out.
It’s a projection done to legitimize the reason they are breaking the social contract. If People following health guidelines are really choosing to disengage from society (hide in their basement) then they can cast themselves as hero’s who righteous protest is keeping society alive. As it’s a pathological way of thinking and not rational there is no way to convince them through rational means they are wrong.
As it is defense mechanism done by their subconscious there is no way to directly challenge them on this, it’s my signal to stop talking to a person and determine they are hopeless.
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Joesixtoe
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No no no, not according to this site. People on here are stressing that vaccines stop transmission, so if you don't get it then you don't love grandma. Now if the hill to die on is the hospital admissions, then hey I can understand that argument more so. So maybe this is the final talking point for this group of must get everyone vaccinated or else they don't get to play outside.
Here's a nice report peer reviewed for children and Natural immunity. Especially since covid effects children less than the flu does.
Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection - Nature Immunology
SARS-CoV-2 infection is milder in children, but direct comparison with adults is rare. Here the authors show that immune responses are higher in children, retained for 12 months or longer and can neutralize Alpha, Beta and Delta variants.
www.nature.com
LittleBuford
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Let me try asking you to look at this another way. What do you see as the drawback(s) of the vaccines? Why not take them?No no no, not according to this site. People on here are stressing that vaccines stop transmission, so if you don't get it then you don't love grandma. Now if the hill to die on is the hospital admissions, then hey I can understand that argument more so. So maybe this is the final talking point for this group of must get everyone vaccinated or else they don't get to play outside.
Here's a nice report peer reviewed for children and Natural immunity. Especially since covid effects children less than the flu does.
Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection - Nature Immunology
SARS-CoV-2 infection is milder in children, but direct comparison with adults is rare. Here the authors show that immune responses are higher in children, retained for 12 months or longer and can neutralize Alpha, Beta and Delta variants.
-I have to do something, ug!
-There is as much a chance of me having a severe reaction to shot as me winning the powerball, and I have no understanding as to how rare either of those events are.
-I’m going to not feel well for a day and I don’t want to
but really:
-I hate needles and am scared of shots but society has deemed I’m too old for this to be a valid excuse.
Just saving time here.
The astronomical numbers of positive cases actually doesn't make me nervous, rather it calms me a bit.
The calm is that sooooo many are positive but either asymptomatic or with mild symptoms due to being vaccinated. Every study/report I'm reading so far really stresses that for the vaccinated, this is a mild strain. So seeing my family (vaccinated) tonight, I'm not nervous about it. Our hospitalizations have ticked up, but in relation to how many positives we are seeing a day, it's not yet alarming. (this is what i tell myself
The nerves are for the unvaccinated burdening the hospitals, yet again.
Well, I just spoke to soon.
My brother tested positive, so out of caution, they are postponing Christmas until New Year's Day.
I'm bummed. This is my first Christmas without seeing my parents.
danlb_2000
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Some people who won't take the vaccine are "living in fear" of future side effects that will never happen.
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