Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Incomudro

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I mean. Am I wrong? What purpose has this thread served? Ask yourself has this thread benefited the community in any way? Have there been some informative conversions? Yes, during the first 2 months. Otherwise, no. I’ve seen nothing but divisiveness and nastiness towards each other.
It's the Walking Dead of threads.
It's the same thing over and over again.
It's the same group agreeing with themselves over and over again.
Then a few people come in who don't agree, and the cart gets tipped.
They get chastised, and eventually give up.
Then the same group gets back to agreeing with each other over and over again.
 

Chi84

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It's the Walking Dead of threads.
It's the same thing over and over again.
It's the same group agreeing with themselves over and over again.
Then a few people come in who don't agree, and the cart gets tipped.
They get chastised, and eventually give up.
Then the same group gets back to agreeing with each other over and over again.
There's a lot of truth to this, but in my experience the same thing happens with any lengthy thread involving a controversial subject, whether it's COVID, dress codes, line reservation systems, kids in strollers, etc. The posters with the strongest feelings about the matter and the most time to invest end up chasing out the ones with opposing views, who give up out of sheer exhaustion. it's just the nature of these boards.

But along the way, some interesting discussion has taken place and a good deal of valuable information has been posted. You just have to slog through the "you stay home" "no, you stay home" nonsense.
 

Incomudro

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There's a lot of truth to this, but in my experience the same thing happens with any lengthy thread involving a controversial subject, whether it's COVID, dress codes, line reservation systems, kids in strollers, etc. The posters with the strongest feelings about the matter and the most time to invest end up chasing out the ones with opposing views, who give up out of sheer exhaustion. it's just the nature of these boards.

But along the way, some interesting discussion has taken place and a good deal of valuable information has been posted. You just have to slog through the "you stay home" "no, you stay home" nonsense.
For sure.
Virtually all threads get like this.
Except perhaps with threads following builds, where the build progresses, because there is more linearity there.
 

Lilofan

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There's a lot of truth to this, but in my experience the same thing happens with any lengthy thread involving a controversial subject, whether it's COVID, dress codes, line reservation systems, kids in strollers, etc. The posters with the strongest feelings about the matter and the most time to invest end up chasing out the ones with opposing views, who give up out of sheer exhaustion. it's just the nature of these boards.

But along the way, some interesting discussion has taken place and a good deal of valuable information has been posted. You just have to slog through the "you stay home" "no, you stay home" nonsense.
The stay home suggestion I think is slowly losing fans. Vaccination rates are improving . Some companies for business and leisure are advising that the vax crowd is welcomed and the unvax crowd is not.
 

GoofGoof

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The stay home suggestion I think is slowly losing fans. Vaccination rates are improving . Some companies for business and leisure are advising that the vax crowd is welcomed and the unvax crowd is not.
Don’t forget the monetary charges. Here’s another example of an insurance surcharge for remaining unvaccinated.


Queue the fat shaming…..now
 

EpcoTim

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Text can be harder sometimes and we (that includes me) often read wrong as we don't have the cues like talking IRL or even hearing inflections of the voice.

There is a lot of divisive comments as a whole. I've been accused by both sides of being the whack job ;) so that should say something about where I fall. Lots of gray really.

Yeah, I get that, none of this is cut and dry. Your head seems to in the right place, I should respect that considering my biggest beef with this whole situation is that everyone should be working together and respecting each other instead digging their heels in and treating others with opposite viewpoints like the enemy. Division is not the answer but you read so much of it on here and it helps nothing.
 

GoofGoof

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New holiday guidelines released by the CDC:


From the attached:
Those who have to venture to events should be vaccinated, the CDC said. And they should wear masks in communities with high rates of Covid-19 spread or when the vaccination status of others is unknown, even if parties are outdoors, the CDC said.

The agency said unvaccinated people should not travel and pointed out that masks are still required on public transportation.


So for another year the CDC is recommending unvaccinated people not travel for the holidays. The difference is that last year that was virtually everyone while this year it’s a smaller number of people. If kids 5-11 get approved shortly after the 10/26 meeting they could be fully vaccinated before Christmas so not in time for Thanksgiving but in time for possible Christmas and NYE travel.
 

GoofGoof

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Yeah, I get that, none of this is cut and dry. Your head seems to in the right place, I should respect that considering my biggest beef with this whole situation is that everyone should be working together and respecting each other instead digging their heels in and treating others with opposite viewpoints like the enemy. Division is not the answer but you read so much of it on here and it helps nothing.
I hate to say this, but that division is inevitable at this point. I didn’t want it to be this way, but people couldn’t figure this out on their own so that’s what we are left with. If we look back at Jan-July timeframe and particularly after April when the vaccines were available to anyone who wanted one there was a long period of time where people had every opportunity to “decide for themselves” to get vaccinated. There were very few vaccine mandates and very few places that required proof of vaccination to enter. We still had a great deal of divisiveness and we didn’t get nearly enough people vaccinated. We tried it that way and it didn’t work. People chose not to work together and get us to a high enough vaccination level.

I believe the best thing for society is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. If that’s the case then it’s worth it for the greater good to upset some people who feel they are being “forced to get vaccinated”. I would have preferred those people just looked at the overwhelming positive data and concluded they should get vaccinated on their own, but that didn’t happen. So as a society if we sit back and let them decide for themselves and they continue to remain unvaccinated then we suffer through much worse infection. Will those people be happy anyway? Will the country not still be divided? If people don’t agree on what the greater good is then it’s not possible for them to work together towards it.
 

EpcoTim

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I hate to say this, but that division is inevitable at this point. I didn’t want it to be this way, but people couldn’t figure this out on their own so that’s what we are left with. If we look back at Jan-July timeframe and particularly after April when the vaccines were available to anyone who wanted one there was a long period of time where people had every opportunity to “decide for themselves” to get vaccinated. There were very few vaccine mandates and very few places that required proof of vaccination to enter. We still had a great deal of divisiveness and we didn’t get nearly enough people vaccinated. We tried it that way and it didn’t work. People chose not to work together and get us to a high enough vaccination level.

I believe the best thing for society is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. If that’s the case then it’s worth it for the greater good to upset some people who feel they are being “forced to get vaccinated”. I would have preferred those people just looked at the overwhelming positive data and concluded they should get vaccinated on their own, but that didn’t happen. So as a society if we sit back and let them decide for themselves and they continue to remain unvaccinated then we suffer through much worse infection. Will those people be happy anyway? Will the country not still be divided? If people don’t agree on what the greater good is then it’s not possible for them to work together towards it.

And that’s your right to feel that way, just like it’s the next persons right to feel the opposite.
 

MaryJaneP

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The Covid virus is just fortunate that it was not responsible for the 9/11 tragedy for if it was, our country may be nearly 100% vaccinated. Perhaps if trips to WDW become unobtainable for those not vaccinated, more may take the jab.
 

GoofGoof

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And that’s your right to feel that way, just like it’s the next persons right to feel the opposite.
I never said that anyone doesn‘t have the right to feel the opposite. You made the statement that everyone should be working together but that’s really not possible when we can’t agree on what the end goal should be. If the end goal is to get everyone vaccinated then we should all work together to reach that goal. There are many ways to increase vaccination levels and there’s plenty to debate on which way would be the most effective. There’s no one answer, but none of that matters when a portion of people still don’t think the vaccines are needed. That makes it impossible to work together on anything really. Instead the government does what it can to reach what they feel is the end goal and those who disagree with that goal will never agree with any plan they suggest. Hence the statement that division is inevitable at this point.
 

FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

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I decided for S's & G's to look up cruise prices last night. I desperately want to get away from reality for a bit, but I know that isn't going to happen, so I suppose I like to torture myself. :facepalm: I didn't realize cruise companies had started doing "Vaccination Required" cruises where all guests and all staff must be vaccinated to be on the ship and "No Vaccination Required" cruises where no proof of vaccination is required. I wonder if other entertainment companies/venues will adopt the same (more than just concert venues and their current requirements/guidelines) and if it is something that might ever be applied to TWDC.
 

Chi84

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I never said that anyone doesn‘t have the right to feel the opposite. You made the statement that everyone should be working together but that’s really not possible when we can’t agree on what the end goal should be. If the end goal is to get everyone vaccinated then we should all work together to reach that goal. There are many ways to increase vaccination levels and there’s plenty to debate on which way would be the most effective. There’s no one answer, but none of that matters when a portion of people still don’t think the vaccines are needed. That makes it impossible to work together on anything really. Instead the government does what it can to reach what they feel is the end goal and those who disagree with that goal will never agree with any plan they suggest. Hence the statement that division is inevitable at this point.
People don't have to agree with the government; in fact, government comes in where people cannot agree. We elect our leaders to represent us, give them the authority to make the laws, and then are bound by those laws (including vaccine mandates). If enough people disagree with the government's actions, we vote out the current leaders and replace them with ones who will better represent what we, as a society, want to do. Hopefully, it will continue to be this way despite a very vocal minority with opposing views.
 

Lilofan

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People don't have to agree with the government; in fact, government comes in where people cannot agree. We elect our leaders to represent us, give them the authority to make the laws, and then are bound by those laws (including vaccine mandates). If enough people disagree with the government's actions, we vote out the current leaders and replace them with ones who will better represent what we, as a society, want to do. Hopefully, it will continue to be this way despite a very vocal minority with opposing views.
Some social networks promoting the anti vax agenda including conspiracy theories at its worst successfully radicalized a very vocal minority with opposing views , offered them and their members and guests free reign to comment in the hoopla and actually plays a part in my opinion in the part of the 45% crowd that is not vaccinated. ( but still we have to respect their POV. )
 
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