Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

That's where I am at. Start with small businesses, restaurants at first like what is planned. If cases stay low you move to the next step and add more things. I think some sort of social distancing will be the new normal for awhile til we learn more about this virus. It will be awhile til Disney will be open.

Any business that can operate with the same social distancing as a grocery store should be allowed to open and do so. Restaurants should be allowed to open the dining room with social distanced tables and a limit on party size. For the time being, masks should be required except after being seated at a restaurant.

 

[Jrb1979]

Any business that can operate with the same social distancing as a grocery store should be allowed to open and do so. Restaurants should be allowed to open the dining room with social distanced tables and a limit on party size. For the time being, masks should be required except after being seated at a restaurant.

Exactly. I agree with that. Its still a far ways from any theme park or large gatherings to return. I have this feeling it's going to be awhile til that happens

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What choices? I said it would apply to all theme parks or even all tourist destinations. It wouldn't be just Disney just like Colorado's law applies to all ski resorts.

What qualifies as “culturally essential” and what does not? You know how many properties on south beach claim “significance”??

The line would be around the block. Not to mention Florida can’t print cash to do this...defeating the purpose of opening back up for revenue anyway.

And I’m pretty sure that type of “waiver” would never stand up. “We Grant all business we label as significant to operate “liability” free...because we got this...and we’ll go ahead and use our courts”

Nope...nada.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Any business that can operate with the same social distancing as a grocery store should be allowed to open and do so. Restaurants should be allowed to open the dining room with social distanced tables and a limit on party size. For the time being, masks should be required except after being seated at a restaurant.

Good ideas...you know where distancing won’t work?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

NYC subway?

Yes that too...but more “subtropical”...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's where I am at. Start with small businesses, restaurants at first like what is planned. If cases stay low you move to the next step and add more things. I think some sort of social distancing will be the new normal for awhile til we learn more about this virus. It will be awhile til Disney will be open.

I actually agree...

But none of the the places announcing reopening have met any of the guidelines...

And none are close to the Harvard study recommendations...which is one new case per day per million...

That’s 20 in New York....22 in Florida...40 in California...

You get the gist.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ohhhhhhhh, the Metrorail in Miami? That thing is filthy!

Well...I know I’m not at risk there because I’ll never go on it.

Think “cleaner”
Choo Choos a little farther north...

 

[Jrb1979]

I actually agree...

But none of the the places announcing reopening have met any of the guidelines...

And none are close to the Harvard study recommendations...which is one new case per day per million...

That’s 20 in New York....22 in Florida...40 in California...

You get the gist.

I agree its too soon. Where I live in Ontario Canada they have just started to discuss when reopening the economy will start.

 

[Jrb1979]

OH! It's the big cruise ship hub at cape carnival! Yea i don't know how you wouldn't bump elbows every once in a while on those things, not my thing either.

(My point being social distancing is impossible to keep up, try walking in NYC with a 6 foot bubble, not gonna happen.)

It is impossible to do social distancing at Disney. That's why they are talking about having to wear masks at the park unless eating. Wearing masks will be the new normal for awhile.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe it wasn't a good idea in hindsight to base Orlando's whole economy around an amusement park?

Maybe that’s why they didn’t? What’s part of downtown Orlando has anything to do with a theme park?

 

[jensenrick]

No love for the Busch Gardens/Sea World faction here.

is there ever?

 

[Parker in NYC]

I mentioned this before but a huge part of this entire effort (from a government perspective) will be to test symptomatic people, trace who the positives have been in contact with, notify those people to get tested, etc.

At what point then does Disney have a responsibility when there have been outbreaks in the resort to notify guests? If there's an outbreak among Rise of the Resistance CMs, do they have to tell everyone that rode over the course of X number of days to get tested? That's the responsible thing to do, but obviously anything but magical and people would be rightfully upset, etc.

This.

 

[hopemax]

So... President Trump just signed an executive order suspending immigration. Like all of it. To project jobs. I imagine, tomorrow we'll get the lowdown on what this really means, but for now...

So, how about WDW's cultural representative program again?

 

[jensenrick]

I think water has to be available at no cost.

It does? Why?

 

[Parker in NYC]

So... President Trump just signed an executive order suspending immigration. Like all of it. To project jobs. I imagine, tomorrow we'll get the lowdown on what this really means, but for now...

So, how about WDW's cultural representative program again?

Looks like we’re stuck with Elsa, Mulan, and friends. Womp-womp.

 

[jensenrick]

Hong Kong’s casinos re-opened 2 months ago now. Still no sign of Hong Kong Disneyland opening. Different country and rules but no guarantee they open the same time. I do agree Disney could ask for the world from the state if they chose to go that way.

For anyone interested in how social distancing in casinos may work here’s a good article that lays out how they did it in Macao. Lots of the same measures talked about for Vegas. Limited capacity, health screenings to get in, masks for both guests and staff, only 1/3 of tables and slot machines open. They even had a person cleaning each poker chip as they were exchanged at a table. Business was also very slow and still mostly is. Things won’t just bounce back to normal even when open.

Betting on the future: What Macao’s experience can teach Las Vegas

The reopening of Macao’s casinos after a 15-day shutdown may offer a glimpse into Las Vegas’ future — a hoped-for return to being the 24/7, glimmering disco ball of a city that it...

www.reviewjournal.com

Thank you so much for this! finally a link I actually want to click on.

 

[jensenrick]

I know it may seem trite but it a victory for the staff as well. It has been very discouraging with the constant PPE changes that you know are based on what the supply is and not what is safe for you. It makes it seem worth it when someone gets discharged to home and not the morgue.

Sorry I think I may have misspoke. I don't mind the little hospital mini parades, I was even in one.

It's the way the media lays it on so thick. "have you cried yet during our newscast? well how about THIS?"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Those numbers match the Stanford numbers quite well. Interesting.

We’ve tested no one in the US...which means we won’t know our truth until then. Just wasting time.

Disney won’t open on assumptions from limited studies.

I think a large issue with the water parks is not so much sharing treated bathing water, as it is the close contacts required and sometimes unintentionally occurring inherent in those activities. Typhoon lagoon might be a hostile environment for a virus, but you’re also bumping up against people constantly with the wave action... same goes for the rivers.

And then what in the world do you do about the changing rooms....?

There no legitimate angle to opening water parks. They’re neither that popular or make lots of money.

I don't see it happening. Walt Disney World is a status symbol to Florida and a economic powerhouse to Orlando. There literally will be people (Regular citizens and government officials) begging them to open. Kinda puts Disney in a great situation to make deals.

Also economic lockdown and social distancing lasts only so long until it doesn't have many benefits. Vegas is planning on opening casino's, which are enclosed while theme parks aren't.

Wdw is a gigantic money funnel and always has been...it’s not the Sphinx or the Roman coliseum.

And Orlando is not at “powerhouse”...Orlando always exaggerated their own place in the world. Orlando is Disney dependent...but that’s a two way street...Disney profits greatly off all that sprawl/clutter/competition and the situation isnt good for all those spots.

"open more things" is not the same as "open everything including venues that accommodate thousands of people".

It’s like the perfect recipe to massively screw up in public...but it’s ok...Florida is gonna “ban lawsuits”...that’s been done, right?

It is impossible to do social distancing at Disney. That's why they are talking about having to wear masks at the park unless eating. Wearing masks will be the new normal for awhile.

If “social distancing” involves Masks, virtual queues, limits on half the entertainment, limits in transport, limits on dining, and draconian decrees on site that some one is “infected” and can’t partake or have to be quarantined (with no way home)....Disney actually won’t be “operating” at all for long.

Maybe that’s why they didn’t? What’s part of downtown Orlando has anything to do with a theme park?

Orlando was a cow field with 50,000 before 1964...not a fan of history, huh?

Wdw was a “fertilizer” farm...which means if they had tied to purchase it after RCRA in 1973...it would have been a Superfund site.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Does that really change anything? It's already been banned for a month right? That's just the status quo.

Well it’s dumb and doesn’t help the current situation at all...if that helps any?

 

[jensenrick]

I personally don't think the solution to out of work hospitality staff is to reopen their businesses at a loss and risk spreading the virus. That's just the government dumping responsibility on businesses to avoid doing more.

Yes, exactly!! That's exactly what they plan to do, and how it will go down. Government loves to dump responsibility on someone else, especially these days!