pdude81
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Only 2 days before Shanghai DL closed, so it's only before "we" knew what was coming.
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Only 2 days before Shanghai DL closed, so it's only before "we" knew what was coming.
Exactly, and the same reason Bob Iger left CEO position effective "immediately" at the end of Febuary, just two weeks before the decision to close domestic parks went public. Helped reduce his losses and had gains for the groomed Chapek.
Because it benefitted everyone who cared to ask, and anyone under has no say. Once that donation of salary business and main heat was done he was able to return. He took less of a paycut that way(funny how that was the biggest things that went down in those few weeks)Chapek got more pay and a title and now Iger can save face of the company again now that the furloughs are done. Now he has a chance to say "I did it" again in the biggest way he can.
GoofGoof
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This would be the absolute worst case scenario for the world economy. If there is no vaccine then it’s also very likely that the infected are not immune or not immune for very long and so there’s no way to achieve herd immunity. Without herd immunity there will need to be permanent changes to life as we know it. There’s no going back to normal. A country like the US may have the means to ramp up hospital facilities and medical staff in a few years, but that’s more challenging worldwide. As a result the worldwide economic depression would likely last for a decade or longer..Don’t bet on vaccine to protect us from Covid-19, says world health expert | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian
Professor of global health at Imperial College, London warns we ‘may have to adapt’ to virusamp.theguardian.com
a warning for those hoping and waiting for a vaccine that there is no guarantee it will be forthcoming. How long should the world wait for a vaccine before we go back to some sort of normal? 12 months? 2 years? 5?
Without a vaccine there would need to be extreme testing and tracing. The Google/Apple tracking app or something like it would have to become the norm. There’s no way to effectively trace contact without the use of some kind of technology. Choosing between privacy rights and endless depression the people are going to choose to give up some rights. Anyone who doesn’t comply would have to be limited from interacting publicly. In order to go to a place like WDW or a sporting event or possibly even a restaurant/bar/club you will have to be signed up. We are also going to have a shortage of healthcare workers and probably first responders since they will be disproportionally impacted by an extended outbreak.
Thats all a pretty grim picture to paint and I hope it never happens. There are at least 15 companies who either already started clinical trials for a vaccine or are about to. Our best bet to get back to normal is that one or more of those work out and we can get everyone vaccinated ASAP. Then we can all go back to life as normal.
Yodascousin
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agree with all of this I pray for everyone’s sake a vaccine is found soon as if it isn’t who knows what will happen
Polynesia
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GoofGoof
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We’re talking about a new world if there’s no vaccine not going to that right now. There’s no other way to return to what life was like. There’s no other way to have large gatherings. There’s no reason any corporation needs to own or control the data or profit from it. Just a system like it would need to be devolved and rolled out in large scale. The Government would need to provide access to people who couldn’t afford it. People will have to choose, privacy or a return to normalcy. Not a great choice but if in the rare case there’s really no way to vaccinate what choice do we have?
John park hopper
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I believe since this is a world wide pandemic very country affected has research labs trying to develop a vaccine And just the sheer number of labs working on it increases the probability one will be found. If I were a betting man I would say by the end of the year
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I am asking a sincere question, because I wonder something but i also have zero knowledge about how viruses attack our body, so I am genuinely wanting to understand.
But part of the reason it’s hitting us so hard is because no one has antibodies because it’s novel virus. Even if we didn’t develop lifelong natural immunity, would our bodies still be better at fighting it off a second time around since now our bodies recognized the virus? Once we are all exposed, would it really be this bad every “Covid-19” season, even with no vaccine?
(Again, forgive me if that’s a dumb question, I really have no idea)
GoofGoof
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Pretty cool. I do think science will prevail in the end. With so many of the world’s resources dedicated to fighting the virus it’s a matter of when not if they figure out a way to beat it. There’s also a fortune to be made by whoever succeeds.Possible good news
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Las Vegas sports book in Sin City can have an opportunity earning revenue by reorganizing betting around Corona predictions and non sports related events. I would get in on the action if there was a betting line.
GoofGoof
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I don’t think anyone knows. This is the way I understand it but I’m no doctor or scientist so take this with a grain of salt. The theory is that as time goes on you would have some natural antibodies that would help fight the disease similar to the flu. The virus would mutate but the changes would be minor enough that your natural immune system would still recognize the virus and begin to fight it faster. If that’s true then each season would be better as more people develop the natural antibodies. Like the flu it would also be possible to develop a vaccine then. Maybe not a lifelong one but something annual like the flu shot.
GoofGoof
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Again, if you read what I wrote I said thought it was very likely a vaccine would be developed. It’s not scare tactics it’s just reality. If in some rare instance a vaccine is never developed we will not just go back to life as normal. We would need to adapt and we would need an effective way to trace spread. Right now the way that is done is after you test positive a department of health worker calls you and asks you to give the names of anyone you came into contact with over the last 5 to 10 days. If you haven’t been anywhere public that’s not too hard, but what if you went to WDW or to a Lakers game. The only effective way to trace contact then is with technology.
lazyboy97o
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What losses were reduced by Iger giving up his CEO title?
That’s not exactly what happened.
The Apple-Google contact tracing proposal does not use your location nor is it tied to you. And while not everyone has a smartphone, the vast majority of Americans do. It would not replace manual contact tracing.
Or the third option which is common reality and not as grim. We learn to better treat the sometimes deadly conditions.
HIV comes to mind. We have neither a vaccine or a cure, but it isn't a death sentence anymore, either.
But there are still new cases despite decades of "safe sex" warnings. Some people will still act selfishly if given a choice between what they should do, and what they want to do. Even when they know the danger involved - both to themselves, and others.
easyrowrdw
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I don't think the two are necessary connected. For a long time Chickenpox didn't have a vaccine, but someone who got it wasn't going to get it again.
I found this article, which covers some of the potential paths to herd immunity. https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html Of note
The most likely case is somewhere in the middle, where infection rates rise and fall over time; we may relax social distancing measures when numbers of infections fall, and then may need to re-implement these measures as numbers increase again. Prolonged effort will be required to prevent major outbreaks until a vaccine is developed. Even then, SARS-CoV-2 could still infect children before they can be vaccinated or adults after their immunity wanes. But it is unlikely in the long term to have the explosive spread that we are seeing right now because much of the population will be immune in the future.
John park hopper
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The corona virus being an RNA virus tends to mutate faster than a DNA virus which makes it little more difficult to develop a vaccine. The flu virus is also a RNA virus and every year they take there best guess as to what strain will be most prevalent when developing a vaccine. Even so 80,000 people die from the flu. As the corona virus goes through the human population those that survive develop antibodies (hopefully some degree of immunity). Once a vaccine is developed just like the flu you will be vaccinated for the most prevalent strain of cover-19 each year. Just like the flu there will still be many deaths which it seems we have come to accept. An HIV a vaccine has not been developed seems the virus outsmarts the vaccine by mutating. Hopefully cover-19 won't do that. As Mom posted there is no HIV cure but drugs have been developed so people can live with it. Though there is a high death rate
Bill in Atlanta
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According to the IHME model, by June 1 in FL there will be 0 daily deaths and 0 patients on ventilators.
The same model projects single digit deaths in the USA by June 1 and less than 80 Americans on ventilators.
IF the model verifies, I would imagine the pressure to reopen things will increase tremendously each day thereafter. WDW may be one of the last things to reopen, but at least the conditions will be more fertile for that kind of talk once malls, schools, little league, etc reopen.
The same model projects single digit deaths in the USA by June 1 and less than 80 Americans on ventilators.
IF the model verifies, I would imagine the pressure to reopen things will increase tremendously each day thereafter. WDW may be one of the last things to reopen, but at least the conditions will be more fertile for that kind of talk once malls, schools, little league, etc reopen.
lazyboy97o
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Then you’re disagreeing with facts. The proposal does not use your location. That is just a fact. You don’t have to trust them to properly implement the idea but at least understand what it is you are disliking.I'm sorry but we're gonna have to agree to disagree with the apple/google contact proposals. It's just a known fact companies like them try as hard as possible to exploit situtations and push privacy boundaries on people. It's quite a slippery slope even if there are some safely checks in place.
As for Bob Iger, I hate him with passion.
The same goes for Iger. There’s no need to peddle wrong information when there is already plenty to criticize.
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