Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I will be honest I don't get the comparing of an infectious disease outbreak from a 102 years ago versus today. I feel like that is comparing apples to oranges at this point. They are so many different variables now in terms of health care , technology, living conditions etc .......

But Mother Nature doesn't care that we are more technologically evolved. I'm sure people in 1918 were saying the same thing - we can't compare this with earlier epidemics/pandemics - we know so much more now and our lifestyle has evolved so much from 100 years ago!

Mother nature doesn't care but technology is a significant factor. The "iron lung" wasn't invented until 1928. Devices comparable to modern ventilators didn't appear until the 1950s. The first antiviral drug was approved in 1963.

Even if you magically wiped the flu vaccine from the collective memory and documentation of the world, if the exact same flu strain from 1917/1918 appeared today the pandemic would be far less deadly.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Here’s is a excellent article explaining how it starts in your body and moves throughout. A good read if you have a few minutes!

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[GoofGoof]

Mother nature doesn't care but technology is a significant factor. The "iron lung" wasn't invented until 1928. Devices comparable to modern ventilators didn't appear until the 1950s. The first antiviral drug was approved in 1963.

Even if you magically wiped the flu vaccine from the collective memory and documentation of the world, if the exact same flu strain from 1917/1918 appeared today the pandemic would be far less deadly.

Same goes for HIV treatment. It took us almost 40 years to get to the point where the virus is manageable. I don’t think it would take 40 years to develop better anti-viral drugs if we fail to develop a vaccine for Covid-19. It may still take years but not decades.

 

[John park hopper]

The reason for no HIV vaccine is not because it keeps mutating. It is because it attacks the immune system directly and "hides itself" from the immune system. No known human has ever contracted HIV and rid themselves of the virus. Some don't develop AIDS but the virus is still there. A vaccine "trains" the immune system to produce antibodies to destroy the virus. If the immune system can't do that on its own then a vaccine in the traditional sense can't work.

The direction they have gone with HIV is to create drugs that can intercept the virus upon entering the body and prevent it from infecting cells. Simplistically, that is the concept of the PREP drugs that have been advertised a lot lately. It isn't a vaccine in the traditional sense because you have to keep taking the drug for it to work vs. some period of immunity with an actual vaccine.

With the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the issue isn't really an inability of the immune system to fight it off. It's more of an issue of developing severe or fatal symptoms before the immune system has fought it off. If a therapeutic drug was found or developed that could help fight the virus off twice as fast there would be a very significant decrease in significant illness and death.

We are both Correct
"It has been known for a long time that HIV-1 mutates rapidly, and does so to escape the pressure from either host immunity (both cellular and humoral) and/or antiretroviral drug treatment."

 

[Disney Analyst]

Here’s is a excellent article explaining how it starts in your body and moves throughout. A good read if you have a few minutes!

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Just crazy.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Just crazy.

I thought so also. Things I didn’t realize.. just when you thought you knew everything.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Here’s is a excellent article explaining how it starts in your body and moves throughout. A good read if you have a few minutes!

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

That is terrifying.

 

[DisneyCane]

Here’s is a excellent article explaining how it starts in your body and moves throughout. A good read if you have a few minutes!

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

The way the initial infection is described in that article, if everybody wore nose plugs and breathed through their mouth the transmission would stop.

No, I don't actually believe that would happen but if you take the description literally it would. It does bring up an interesting question. Is somebody infected more easily through the nose vs. breathing through the mouth? Definitely something that should be studied. Maybe nose plugs won't stop the spread but could they slow the spread?

 

[GoofGoof]

I thought so also. Things I didn’t realize.. just when you thought you knew everything.

When I was younger I knew everything...I’ve just forgotten a lot over the years

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The way the initial infection is described in that article, if everybody wore nose plugs and breathed through their mouth the transmission would stop.

No, I don't actually believe that would happen but if you take the description literally it would. It does bring up an interesting question. Is somebody infected more easily through the nose vs. breathing through the mouth? Definitely something that should be studied. Maybe nose plugs won't stop the spread but could they slow the spread?

Possibly! We are guessing of course. What blows me away is it can attack from the brain to the toes. Seems that some that recover can have life long problems from their brain to the kidney to so many more organs.
All early studies but a bit scary.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Possibly! We are guessing of course. What blows me away is it can attack from the brain to the toes. Seems that some that recover can have life long problems from their brain to the kidney to so many more organs.
All early studies but a bit scary.

We also don't know yet what short or long term side affects there might be from treatment/vaccine.

(this is not to encourage anti-vaccine debates, just part of the reason why treatment takes time to develop)

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We also don't know yet what short or long term side affects there might be from treatment/vaccine.

(this is not to encourage anti-vaccine debates)

Or.. long term affects you may have even though you recovered. Possible damage to things you don’t even realize yet.
And thank you for that (...) we don’t need that.

 

[GoofGoof]

On the topic of other potential complications from the virus, this poor guy just had his leg amputated. Better than the alternative, but still very sad.

Broadway Star Nick Cordero Undergoes Surgery to Amputate Leg Due to Coronavirus Complications

"He made it through the surgery which is really big because obviously, his body is pretty weak," Nick Cordero's wife Amanda Kloots said

people.com

 

[Jrb1979]

On the topic of other potential complications from the virus, this poor guy just had his leg amputated. Better than the alternative, but still very sad.

Broadway Star Nick Cordero Undergoes Surgery to Amputate Leg Due to Coronavirus Complications

"He made it through the surgery which is really big because obviously, his body is pretty weak," Nick Cordero's wife Amanda Kloots said

people.com

It scares me that moving so quick to get the economy to open we will see a lot more cases like this.

 

[Kevin_W]

When I was younger I knew everything...I’ve just forgotten a lot over the years

I believe Plato had a theory that we are born knowing everything, and we merely re-discover it as we go through life.

 

[DKampy]

Everyone suggesting Italy cases have plateaued but has not decreased is wrong. If they were counting the cases weekly instead of daily you would see the cases going down

 

[Slpy3270]

Just a reminder that Disney still expects to pay dividend by July and executives keep their bonuses while the employees are still furloughed.

Disney stops paying 100,000 workers to save $500m a month

Theme park owner risks reputational damage as it slashes costs more severely than rivals

www.ft.com

Do they really want go down WWE's path and make unnecessary cuts just to maintain pre-pandemic profits, thus destroying their reputation for years? It seems that's why they're doing this instead of actually thinking they'll be severely hurt.

 

[Lilofan]

Just a reminder that Disney still expects to pay dividend by July and executives keep their bonuses while the employees are still furloughed.

Disney stops paying 100,000 workers to save $500m a month

Theme park owner risks reputational damage as it slashes costs more severely than rivals

www.ft.com

Do they really want go down WWE's path and make unnecessary cuts just to maintain pre-pandemic profits, thus destroying their reputation for years? It seems that's why they're doing this instead of actually thinking they'll be severely hurt.

The reputation of companies in regards to restructuring and consolidation I have worked for is do more work with less staffing, automate work when possible and outsource ( IT and consultants to name a few ). Hiring these work teams namely IT to cheaper labor to do the same and at times better work than the American counterparts. I don't like it but then again I'm not the one calling the shots.

 

[Slpy3270]

The reputation of companies in regards to restructuring and consolidation I have worked for is do more work with less staffing, automate work when possible and outsource ( IT and consultants to name a few ). Hiring these work teams namely IT to cheaper labor to do the same and at times better work than the American counterparts. I don't like it but then again I'm not the one calling the shots.

Reliance on automation could prove catastrophic if worker morale is low and IT is disorganized to the point of being an easy target for hostile actors or espionage.

 

[lilypgirl]

It scares me that moving so quick to get the economy to open we will see a lot more cases like this.

I believe that it is why we are doing it in phases. Also it's more than just getting the economy up and running things like routine doctors visits and test need to resume are there will be added deaths .