Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[imsosarah]

I don't disagree with that. However, if asymptomatic spreaders are not the major driver of spread then there is no reason to do any of what we're doing now. All of the "safer at home" orders could be replaced with "stay at home if you are sick or have a fever" orders tomorrow.

They are the major spreader. By all accounts. In all the countries.

 

[imsosarah]

I thought so, but furlough means minimum wage over there doesn’t it ?

No, it means you qualify for unemployment - which in some cases is equal to or more what they were making and in some cases quite a bit less. I think it will range from $2500-$3500/month for a worker depending on their state and income to start with.

 

[imsosarah]

I don't know why everyone is propping up furloughed as it means you're saved and lucky. If you have health insurance/benefits with your company and they've chosen to cover that for you then that's a positive in your favor (though companies are not required to do so). If the boosted unemployment insurance runs out and is not extended before Disney re-opens, then they're just receiving ~$275/week with no guarantee they're returning to work (or when Disney would even re-open to potentially get that role back). So those employees should be looking for other work in the interim unless they can survive on $275/week and just want to work at Disney and nowhere else.

The extra money will be extended past July. We will be at 17-22% unemployment soon, there aren't many options and leaving your furlough is risky in case that new job doesn't work and you have no benefits to fall back on. You got to look at the rules of your furlough....

 

[note2001]

Florists and businesses selling home gym equipment have sales going through the roof.

Modern florists make only a few bucks per arrangement as most of the money goes to 1-800-Flowers and the like. They're keeping busy, but not getting rich. Also remember that they're out there delivering face to face with people. Not exactly social distancing at all.

The real money makers are weddings, and those have all been called off.

FYI - if you want the best bang for your buck, call a local florist and describe what you want. It cuts out that middle man and they can serve you better.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

No, it means you qualify for unemployment - which in some cases is equal to or more what they were making and in some cases quite a bit less. I think it will range from $2500-$3500/month for a worker depending on their state and income to start with.

That is only because of the bill that is passed. The standard unemployment is closer to minimum wage. This is not forever. The enhanced unemployment insurance runs out at the end of July.

 

[DCBaker]

"Best Buy Co Inc said on Wednesday it would furlough about 51,000 hourly U.S. store employees and that its sales dropped about 5% in the first two months of the current quarter, as the electronics retailer kept its stores shut due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The company said that starting next week, some corporate employees would also participate in voluntary reduced work weeks and furloughs, while its top management and board would take a pay cut.

Best Buy, however, would retain about 82% of its full-time store and field employees."

Best Buy to furlough 51,000 hourly U.S. store employees

Best Buy Co Inc said on Wednesday it would furlough about 51,000 hourly U.S. store employees and that its sales dropped about 5% in the first two months of the current quarter, as the electronics retailer kept its stores shut due to the coronavirus pandemic.

t.co

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

The extra money will be extended past July. We will be at 17-22% unemployment soon, there aren't many options and leaving your furlough is risky in case that new job doesn't work and you have no benefits to fall back on. You got to look at the rules of your furlough....

It might be. Please do not say it will be extended. There's no legislation currently today that allows it to continue past July and there is nothing pending at this time.

If the extra money is not extended past July, then the risk level of leaving your furlough goes down. Until that is for certain, people should plan as if it will end in July and be prepared to either stick with the furlough/unemployment insurance or find a new job if that amount does not cover their bills. That process for those people can't start in July, it has to start sooner. I'd much rather find a job that pays me equal or more than what I was making and have it last longer than count on something that may not happen such as extension of the extra money or that Disney will bring me back if I make the 'cut' after they've determined what amount of staffing they will need.

 

[flynnibus]

I thought so, but furlough means minimum wage over there doesn’t it ?

Not by the term 'furlough' - What furlough really means is up to the employer... and normally it's a form of limbo meaning you're not unemployed, so you could be blocked from getting state benefits, etc. But in this crisis the government has stepped in and temporarily made all the rules to 'if you aren't working - you are eligible for unemployment' and the fed gave a big chunk to all the states to make it more viable.

If you aren't working - the employer normally isn't going to pay you unless you are specifically on paid leave. Anything they do (like Disney did) is totally optional by the employer. Furlough is just a purgatory state usually used so the employer/employee relationship isn't severed and doesn't need to be reestablished when started back up. Continuity of services, etc is usually a reason to do so.

In this situation, the furloughed workers were allowed to file for unemployment benefits (understand, that is a per state program here). Unemployment pay varies, but typically gives you an amount of money based on your prior wages while you look for new work. In this crisis, the fed went in and gave everyone a lift in the max benefits unemployment pays because typically (especially for higher wage workers) it pays out crap.

The TLDR is - unlike UK, no one is garunteed anything... just they can work with whatever their state unemployment model is. And in this crisis, the fed has stepped in with big backing money to boost who can apply, and what they get in the state unemployment systems.

 

[marni1971]

Not by the term 'furlough' - What furlough really means is up to the employer... and normally it's a form of limbo meaning you're not unemployed, so you could be blocked from getting state benefits, etc. But in this crisis the government has stepped in and temporarily made all the rules to 'if you aren't working - you are eligible for unemployment' and the fed gave a big chunk to all the states to make it more viable.

If you aren't working - the employer normally isn't going to pay you unless you are specifically on paid leave. Anything they do (like Disney did) is totally optional by the employer. Furlough is just a purgatory state usually used so the employer/employee relationship isn't severed and doesn't need to be reestablished when started back up. Continuity of services, etc is usually a reason to do so.

In this situation, the furloughed workers were allowed to file for unemployment benefits (understand, that is a per state program here). Unemployment pay varies, but typically gives you an amount of money based on your prior wages while you look for new work. In this crisis, the fed went in and gave everyone a lift in the max benefits unemployment pays because typically (especially for higher wage workers) it pays out crap.

The TLDR is - unlike UK, no one is garunteed anything... just they can work with whatever their state unemployment model is. And in this crisis, the fed has stepped in with big backing money to boost who can apply, and what they get in the state unemployment systems.

Gotcha. Quite different. Thanks for the explanation

 

[imsosarah]

Let's take this to its logical conclusion. Until there is a vaccine for HIV. . . Talk about social distancing. At some point, we need to come to our senses. We're at 26k dead in the US. Yes, every death is one death too many. But it's not 2.2M or 1.1M or 500k or 250k or 60k. In addition to that more deaths from flu, car accidents, etc. I could go on.

You can't compare a respiratory thing that has high transmission rates to HIV which is quite controllable on exposure.

Continual for the past week and will continue for the next month or until economic opens. My company is doing them to see what effects all of this will have on my restaurants. As I need to know when to lay off even more workers... If I dont think it will come back fast enough I need to cut my loss earlier.

are you doing ppp? Most of them here furloughed immediately so the workers could get unemployement - brought back if they got ppp, but with tips down, unemployment was more for waitstaff (who you don't need all of anyway if only carry out)

 

[imsosarah]

I’d like to know how California can open schools but keep other businesses shut. The governor talked about staggering starting times. Once in the school building though there are thousands of students. It seem contradictory to what else is being banged.

Businesses will be opened also in similar waves, different start times, work from home if possible, etc - california schools are already laid out differently (pod like) in many districts with year round staggered times.

Many of the universities across the country have already gone online only for summer programs and are considering online only for fall semester - it is something as a parent we are looking at. I am not paying out of state tuition if there is a chance it will be online again, we did that this semester already... not worth it.

 

[csmat99]

Very interesting. Disneyland was given an exemption when California announced closures. Disney decided to close anyway which was the right thing to do. I have to wonder if they’re still exempt. However, I do think Disneyland will open in some capacity this summer.

The Gov of CA is not going to give Disney an exemption unless they can prove to him how they are going to enforce social distancing. He is not messing around. Why CA hasn't had major breakout. FL on the other hand has a GOV that was encouraging spring breakers to stay and refused to close beaches and there is literal blood on his hands.

 

[imsosarah]

Although it is real, if you drill down into the statistics, the risk to any individual of even getting a symptomatic infection is incredibly low. Even in, by far the worst outbreak in the country (and possibly the World) in the NYC metropolitan area, approximately 1.5% of the population has tested positive so far. Even in the highest risk groups only maybe 4% of those cases will be fatal. That is 0.06% of the population.

Anywhere outside of a hotspot, your chance of becoming infected even without any protection is very small and your chance of getting infected AND dying is extremely tiny.

THERE ARE NO TESTS - the testing is so flawed and ~30% of the negative tests are actually not negative. The best way to watch is actually death rate not positive test rates.

 

[Horizons '83]

For an office you need 6 feet between desks plus and additional 12 feet so people can walk through the office and remain 6 ft from any desk for a total of 18 ft total radius per desk.

For an office of 10 persons, you need

My wife's hospital is on the other side of the state is at 50% occupancy and has been waiting on the surge for 2 weeks now

You don't suppose space would be an issue?

 

[imsosarah]

I believe it...I am 95 percent sure I had it...it started with a cough then a fever of a 104..then came the shortness of breath...I even mentioned to my wife I feel like I am dyeing and even mentioned to her someone tested positive for that Coronavirus from China in Wisconsin...she said I was being dramatic(which I tend to do sometimes)you have the flu and that was 1 person who came back from China. I did not get tested for the flu, but it did not feel like the flu.

I think most of our stuff here (like in NYC) was from Europe. I was sick 46 days on inhaler support for 30+ of them after Paris trip- and we were EXTRA careful because we knew it was likely in France in a small degree but underestimated how bad this was if you got it. I'm not in any risk factor range, younger and healthy. It was no flu.

 

[ElvisMickey]

Very interesting. Disneyland was given an exemption when California announced closures. Disney decided to close anyway which was the right thing to do. I have to wonder if they’re still exempt. However, I do think Disneyland will open in some capacity this summer.

The L.A. Times is reporting that Los Angeles may ban concerts and sporting events until 2021. I know that Disneyland isn’t located in Los Angeles but it’s close enough. Disney isn’t getting a pass here if that is indeed the case.

 

[Polynesia]

It might be. Please do not say it will be extended. There's no legislation currently today that allows it to continue past July and there is nothing pending at this time.

If the extra money is not extended past July, then the risk level of leaving your furlough goes down. Until that is for certain, people should plan as if it will end in July and be prepared to either stick with the furlough/unemployment insurance or find a new job if that amount does not cover their bills. That process for those people can't start in July, it has to start sooner. I'd much rather find a job that pays me equal or more than what I was making and have it last longer than count on something that may not happen such as extension of the extra money or that Disney will bring me back if I make the 'cut' after they've determined what amount of staffing they will need.

The odds are it WILL be extended. These are extraordinary circumstances. To not see that doesn’t make sense. Disney will call back by seniority. If you’re low man on the totem pike then it may be worthwhile to find something else. You seem to be very down on Disney and the possibility of cast members being called back. A lot can happen in twelve months. Who’s to say it can’t be renegotiated again by the Union twelve months from now.

 

[Polynesia]

I think most of our stuff here (like in NYC) was from Europe. I was sick 46 days on inhaler support for 30+ of them after Paris trip- and we were EXTRA careful because we knew it was likely in France in a small degree but underestimated how bad this was if you got it. I'm not in any risk factor range, younger and healthy. It was no flu.

Funny what a huge difference this felt from the normal flu. I felt that, too. I’m normally on a daily asthma routine so I was fortunate to have access to my nebulizer and inhalers.

 

[Polynesia]

The L.A. Times is reporting that Los Angeles may ban concerts and sporting events until 2021. I know that Disneyland isn’t located in Los Angeles but it’s close enough. Disney isn’t getting a pass here if that is indeed the case.

Glad to hear you have the inside information the rest of us don’t have access to. Thanks for the official update.

 

[imsosarah]

It might be. Please do not say it will be extended. There's no legislation currently today that allows it to continue past July and there is nothing pending at this time.

If the extra money is not extended past July, then the risk level of leaving your furlough goes down. Until that is for certain, people should plan as if it will end in July and be prepared to either stick with the furlough/unemployment insurance or find a new job if that amount does not cover their bills. That process for those people can't start in July, it has to start sooner. I'd much rather find a job that pays me equal or more than what I was making and have it last longer than count on something that may not happen such as extension of the extra money or that Disney will bring me back if I make the 'cut' after they've determined what amount of staffing they will need.

I would not risk this until you are closer to that date. By all accounts the discussion is that it would continue if economy isn't rebounded.