Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ElvisMickey]

Glad to hear you have the inside information the rest of us don’t have access to. Thanks for the official update.

You’re welcome .

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

That sir is the biggest problem we have today. It bleeds into everything we do. If there is no confidence in our science or scientists, and for some unknown reason it’s been dropping from a lot of people in our country, we are doomed. Means less money for everything. Means less facts. Means when a pandemic comes around the world is not prepared. Trust our science and our leaders in that area and we will all be better off. Will they get it wrong on occasion? Of course.. but I can guarantee when the find that they are wrong they correct it. That’s science and we all need it.

I daresay, the problem of distrust is wider than trusting/not trusting in science.

We appear to have also developed a habit of shouting over each other. As if shouting loudly somehow changes pure nonsense into something valid/ I'm not even sure what the point of it is supposed to be. It appears to have come out of advertising, IMO.
We've all been bombarded with advertising of all kinds for so long that people have just absorbed advertising tactics in daily conversation.

1. Bandwagon - You should do it because everybody is doing it.
2. Either/or Fallacy - presents a topic as if there are only two options, where there is room for more than 2 options. Many political topics are simplified down to like pro-mouse and anti-mouse, when really you be sometimes-mouse
3. Repetition
4. Emotional words/Glittering Generalities- Words like luxury, delicious, or saying something like: Everything is awesome when you are part of the team. They don't really mean anything, but they sound good
5. Testimonial- you should do it because a famous person does it/likes it/said it.
6. Negative Transfer - you should not do it/like it because a bad person likes it/says it.
7. Name-Calling - can be direct, or indirect (like using an intentionally ugly picture or caricature of someone to make them look bad)
8. Plain Folks - Trust me, I'm just an ordinary person like you.
9. Quotes out of context - "This is a great remake, if you have never seen the original movie." Becomes simply, "This is a great remake!"
10. Repetition

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

By the time we get to page 1,000 of this thread we need a consensus opinion on the missing comma from that post . Was it left out due to an abundance of caution? Is it perhaps sheltering in place? Was it left off due to a ban on gatherings of more than 10 commas? Probably the most important question of all, will the comma be back when WDW re-opens or will it be unceremoniously cancelled like all of the live entertainment and other fun stuff?

Tell you what... I'll go back and edit the comma if it will make everyone happy.

Wouldn't it be great if we could solve this whole mess by just going back and adding a comma?

As they say, "Eats shoots and leaves" is not the same as Eats, shoots and leaves."

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

The odds are it WILL be extended. These are extraordinary circumstances. To not see that doesn’t make sense. Disney will call back by seniority. If you’re low man on the totem pike then it may be worthwhile to find something else. You seem to be very down on Disney and the possibility of cast members being called back. A lot can happen in twelve months. Who’s to say it can’t be renegotiated again by the Union twelve months from now.

You know what, I'm getting sick and tired of this.

Just because people can 'see' things doesn't mean that things actually happen. Will some people be called back? Yes. Will all be called back? Highly unlikely. Just like you can say 'to not see that doesn't make sense' can be turned back around and asked right back because the reality is IF Disney opens in the next six months, it's going to be under reduced capacity, which means they won't need all of their employees back across the board. Yes, union members will be brought back first based on seniority basis. As they're needed.

It's a tough pill to swallow, but WDW will not have 75K+ employees working when they re-open in August-October or 2021. It will take a long time to get back to that. Parks will open in phases, will have reduced capacity, will have reduced hours, etc. All the resorts won't be open. They will not need every single employee and MANY of them will unfortunately lose their jobs. Just like nearly 16 million people before them have as well between furlough and lay offs. This is seriously not difficult to understand.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Look out for you and your family first and foremost because no company is beholden to any of us so you need to be ready to move when the time comes to move or else you will be caught flat footed and that's the sad truth of all of this. There will not be nearly enough jobs and the government can't just pay everyone for the next two years. It's not reality.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

By the time we get to page 1,000 of this thread we need a consensus opinion on the missing comma from that post . Was it left out due to an abundance of caution? Is it perhaps sheltering in place? Was it left off due to a ban on gatherings of more than 10 commas? Probably the most important question of all, will the comma be back when WDW re-opens or will it be unceremoniously cancelled like all of the live entertainment and other fun stuff?

The fact that my simple question can't even be answered in a honest and sincere way just tells me everything I need to know about a lot of people in this thread and on these forums. Ridiculous.

 

[DisneyCane]

They are the major spreader. By all accounts. In all the countries.

Says what scientific study?

 

[VJ]

Still the best mask you can buy. Little levity for the morning.View attachment 463598

and, in response, one of my favorite memes:

 

[GoofGoof]

Tell you what... I'll go back and edit the comma if it will make everyone happy.

Please don’t. It was a necessary distraction from all the doom and gloom in the world right now.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

THERE ARE NO TESTS - the testing is so flawed and ~30% of the negative tests are actually not negative. The best way to watch is actually death rate not positive test rates.

Citations are in order.

 

[networkpro]

Tell you what... I'll go back and edit the comma if it will make everyone happy.

Wouldn't it be great if we could solve this whole mess by just going back and adding a comma?

As they say, "Eats shoots and leaves" is not the same as Eats, shoots and leaves."

If you state your numbers in hex or binary you wouldn't have to worry about it.

 

[DisneyCane]

THERE ARE NO TESTS - the testing is so flawed and ~30% of the negative tests are actually not negative. The best way to watch is actually death rate not positive test rates.

That isn't true. Dr. Birx addressed that at one of the briefings. She said it was nearly impossible to get the positive rates that are seen in the hot spots if the false negative was that high.

There are definitely some false negatives as EVERY lab test has some false negative percentage.

If it was true then watching the death rate isn't any better because the false negative deaths wouldn't be classified as COVID-19 deaths anyway.

 

[GoofGoof]

The fact that my simple question can't even be answered in a honest and sincere way just tells me everything I need to know about a lot of people in this thread and on these forums. Ridiculous.

I know yours was a serious question and I don’t mean to poke fun at it, but it’s cracking me up how many people responded to it

 

[Calmdownnow]

the companies owe them nothing if they are laid off...

Interesting.thought process. We were discussing the option of the govt. paying the money direct to companies (rather than through the unemployment system) to make up the wages of employees so that they received it without having to claim employment. I think you have either missed this bit of the discussion, or you have suggested that the govt. should pay twice -- once to the companies, giving them money to pay their staff, and then a second time if the company doesn't hand that money over to employees. The small business loans are something completely separate to what was being discussed.

 

[Polynesia]

You know what, I'm getting sick and tired of this.

Just because people can 'see' things doesn't mean that things actually happen. Will some people be called back? Yes. Will all be called back? Highly unlikely. Just like you can say 'to not see that doesn't make sense' can be turned back around and asked right back because the reality is IF Disney opens in the next six months, it's going to be under reduced capacity, which means they won't need all of their employees back across the board. Yes, union members will be brought back first based on seniority basis. As they're needed.

It's a tough pill to swallow, but WDW will not have 75K+ employees working when they re-open in August-October or 2021. It will take a long time to get back to that. Parks will open in phases, will have reduced capacity, will have reduced hours, etc. All the resorts won't be open. They will not need every single employee and MANY of them will unfortunately lose their jobs. Just like nearly 16 million people before them have as well between furlough and lay offs. This is seriously not difficult to understand.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Look out for you and your family first and foremost because no company is beholden to any of us so you need to be ready to move when the time comes to move or else you will be caught flat footed and that's the sad truth of all of this. There will not be nearly enough jobs and the government can't just pay everyone for the next two years. It's not reality.

I was talking about unemployment being extended. Not the call back of all cast members.

 

[Calmdownnow]

From an operations perspective, actively adding availability seems to indicate that they still think opening in some form on 6/1 is possible?

Or lots of people have cancelled?

 

[Josh Hendy]

1. Bandwagon - You should do it because everybody is doing it.
2. Either/or Fallacy - presents a topic as if there are only two options, where there is room for more than 2 options. Many political topics are simplified down to like pro-mouse and anti-mouse, when really you be sometimes-mouse
3. Repetition
4. Emotional words/Glittering Generalities- Words like luxury, delicious, or saying something like: Everything is awesome when you are part of the team. They don't really mean anything, but they sound good
5. Testimonial- you should do it because a famous person does it/likes it/said it.
6. Negative Transfer - you should not do it/like it because a bad person likes it/says it.
7. Name-Calling - can be direct, or indirect (like using an intentionally ugly picture or caricature of someone to make them look bad)
8. Plain Folks - Trust me, I'm just an ordinary person like you.
9. Quotes out of context - "This is a great remake, if you have never seen the original movie." Becomes simply, "This is a great remake!"
10. Repetition

Good list. And ... the number one favorite fallacy used on these boards ...

11. Straw Man - stating a distorted version of your opponent's opinion in order to make them sound stupid or extremist, putting it in quotes as if they actually said it. For example:

We have to remember that this mostly affects older people.

Oh so now you're saying, "We should kill all old people."

 

[WDWTrojan]

Yes. It seems we had crossed wires. Your furlough and ours are very different; when furloughed we’re paid 80% of our basic pay by the government (With the £2500 limit) and It’s up to employers if they want to top up the other 20%. All benefits and national insurance paid as normal. We also get paid directly by our employer as usual, they then do the 80% claim back theirselves.

We are expressly forbidden to do any paid work for our employer - or any other employer - when furloughed.

Perhaps they are a bit more different than I suspected. However a lot of that has to do with how different our insurance system is.

Furloughed employees will not make any salary from Disney, but the healthcare benefits they receive from the Company can be worth $600-800/month, were they to be paying on their own via COBRA (the insurance benefit for recently unemployed people). Disney is not only continuing to give them healthcare, but they are also picking up the weekly employee contribution portion of healthcare as well. All other benefits continue, as well.

During furlough you are eligible for the state unemployment insurance to make up for your wages, paid directly by the state ($275 in FL, $450 in CA). In this crazy time, the federal government has approved an additional $600/week to any impacted employee. For many Disney CMs, this $875/week will be more than they make - by quite a bit - normally while working. However for some managers and salaried people, it will obviously be less.

You can work elsewhere during the furlough if you want (I'm sure many will drive Uber or Postmates, etc), but this income would directly impact how much you are entitled to collect in employment. Also you can look for another job if you wish.

Upon being "recalled" they bring you back at your same salary, seniority, etc. There's obviously nothing to say they can't then lay you off but for front line Disney workers who are only entitled to seniority-based raises (plus scheduling), coming back at the level they left at is a godsend.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

I know yours was a serious question and I don’t mean to poke fun at it, but it’s cracking me up how many people responded to it

I just wanted to make sure he wasn’t calling out that the funding went from millions of dollars to thousands of dollars. That’s seriously all I was trying to verify. But you know

 

[Andrew C]

In the USA, the furloughed employee retains various company benefits, but is no longer paid by the company.

My company is still paying me 20% of my salary to cover any existing benefits I opted into. Health coverage being an example.

 

[Calmdownnow]

From a UK perspective Virgin (airline) is advising all customers that they can cancel flights and re-book for anytime between now and May 2022. This would suggest they aren't seeing confidence in international air travel picking up much between now and 2021/22.