Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[peter11435]

Not necessarily true. I would be surprised if all 75K employees return to work at WDW. And the benefits is on a company-by-company basis.

Obviously the work force will need to be cut. Some of that will happen naturally and eventually there could be layoffs. But for the time being this is better than being laid off and ensures healthcare at no cost for a year.

Would you prefer them all be laid off already. This is the better option. If the company intended to lay them all off they could and should have just done that already.

Unemployment benefits will likely be extended. People getting other jobs isn’t really ideal since there are not enough jobs available and for this initiative to really work you need large portions of the population to stay home and isolate, not be out looking for jobs or working.

 

[King Panda 77]

Is US furlough not the same as UK furlough?

Are they both not just over 201 Metres ?

 

[Polynesia]

$275 sucks. But it’s not much less than the $350 or so most of them were making before. Factor in the fact that they are largely saving money by not being able to do anything, eat out, buy anything non essential, or even use gas. It’s likely a wash for most.

Don’t forget health premiums are being paid. That can add up for a family plan coverage.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

Unemployment benefits will likely be extended. People getting other jobs isn’t really ideal since there are not enough jobs available and for this initiative to really work you need large portions of the population to stay home and isolate, not be out looking for jobs or working.

Exactly...and this is why many states are waiving the George Costanza-looking-for-work requirements for unemployment for now.

 

[marni1971]

Which from what I read in the UK, you receive 80% of your pay up to 2500 pounds each month if you're furloughed. Without the enhanced unemployment here, you would potentially make far less. The UK furloughed seems like a much better deal than what the US is getting in the long term.

Yes. It seems we had crossed wires. Your furlough and ours are very different; when furloughed we’re paid 80% of our basic pay by the government (With the £2500 limit) and It’s up to employers if they want to top up the other 20%. All benefits and national insurance paid as normal. We also get paid directly by our employer as usual, they then do the 80% claim back theirselves.

We are expressly forbidden to do any paid work for our employer - or any other employer - when furloughed.

 

[techgeek]

I have been wondering if there could potentially be another public health impact with the asymptomatic population... I have seen some stories here and there (like this one) that indicate there may be some lasting organ damage in the asymptomatic group:

Studies profile lung changes in asymptomatic COVID-19, viral loads in patient samples

www.cidrap.umn.edu

There hasn’t been a lot of coverage on this angle yet. This is something that, along with the true % of asymptomatic cases, we apparently know next to nothing about... but it strikes me as something that could have a huge impact on recovery efforts. If it turns out there are potential longer term health impacts even in those that show no immediate symptoms, then testing and tracing become even more important to minimize the population affected in that way. It may not be a good plan to just let most of the population get it, count on them being asymptomatic, and that not having consequence.

Also confusing the ‘asymptomatic’ issue is that apparently many ‘asymptomatic’ cases, when interviewed, do actually report being affected by mild symptoms. Those mild symptoms can vary substantially from the ‘fever and cough’ that most have been clued to be alert to. One way that it can manifest is by affecting the heart, and potentially in ways that might not be immediately obvious to a patient as a symptom but would show up on advanced cardiac diagnostics:

COVID-19's consequences for the heart

Heart damage has recently emerged as yet another grim outcome in the virus's repertoire of possible complications.

news.harvard.edu

 

[Horizons '83]

I can't stand when news outlets do this: "we might have a vaccine by Fall!" but then a few sentences below "we might have to social distance until 2022"

 

[MuteSuperstar]

DC extends stay-at-home order through May 15

Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) announced Wednesday that the city’s stay-at-home order would be extended through May 15 as the coronavirus pandemic continues to hamstring the n…

thehill.com

 

[Parker in NYC]

I can't stand when news outlets do this: "we might have a vaccine by Fall!" but then a few sentences below "we might have to social distance until 2022"

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Because the vaccine will still be in trials for a year and a half.

 

[King Panda 77]

Yes. It seems we had crossed wires. Your furlough and ours are very different; when furloughed we’re paid 80% of our basic pay by the government (With the £2500 limit) and It’s up to employers if they want to top up the other 20%. All benefits and national insurance paid as normal. We also get paid directly by our employer as usual, they then do the 80% claim back theirselves.

We are expressly forbidden to do any paid work for our employer - or any other employer - when furloughed.

Our government will pay 80% of minimum wage but the employer has to pay the other 20 or no dice.

 

[Polynesia]

I can't stand when news outlets do this: "we might have a vaccine by Fall!" but then a few sentences below "we might have to social distance until 2022"

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Some outlets report the positive progress being made. Other news outlets like to sensationalize the worst case scenario. Very difficult to discern what’s accurate and not.

 

[Horizons '83]

Because the vaccine will still be in trials for a year and a half.

Is it not misleading though?

 

[Parker in NYC]

Is it not misleading though?

Not in the current disinformation-palooza we're living in.

 

[DisneyCane]

I have been wondering if there could potentially be another public health impact with the asymptomatic population... I have seen some stories here and there (like this one) that indicate there may be some lasting organ damage in the asymptomatic group:

Studies profile lung changes in asymptomatic COVID-19, viral loads in patient samples

www.cidrap.umn.edu

There hasn’t been a lot of coverage on this angle yet. This is something that, along with the true % of asymptomatic cases, we apparently know next to nothing about... but it strikes me as something that could have a huge impact on recovery efforts. If it turns out there are potential longer term health impacts even in those that show no immediate symptoms, then testing and tracing become even more important to minimize the population affected in that way. It may not be a good plan to just let most of the population get it, count on them being asymptomatic, and that not having consequence.

Also confusing the ‘asymptomatic’ issue is that apparently many ‘asymptomatic’ cases, when interviewed, do actually report being affected by mild symptoms. Those mild symptoms can vary substantially from the ‘fever and cough’ that most have been clued to be alert to. One way that it can manifest is by affecting the heart, and potentially in ways that might not be immediately obvious to a patient as a symptom but would show up on advanced cardiac diagnostics:

COVID-19's consequences for the heart

Heart damage has recently emerged as yet another grim outcome in the virus's repertoire of possible complications.

news.harvard.edu

Forgive me if I ignore anything that is based on information out of China on this topic. There are plenty of cases for these institutions to study in the US (or Europe). I will pay attention to results when respected researchers do their own research. Parroting things said by Chinese authorities has not exactly proven to be a very good thing to do with respect to this virus.

 

[GoofGoof]

I can't stand when news outlets do this: "we might have a vaccine by Fall!" but then a few sentences below "we might have to social distance until 2022"

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I agree the media is a nightmare right now. In this case I think both headlines can be accurate. Several vaccines are ready right now, but they need to go through human trials to see if they even work and also to determine if they have side effects. I saw a story where one company said their vaccine could be ready for use by the end of the year. Even then it’s only allowed in emergency situations like high risk people or front line workers until they get full approval. Full roll out of a vaccine in 18 months would get us to the end of 2021 so it’s not a stretch to say until 2022. The most promising situation I think are some of the vaccines based on an existing vaccine. In that case they know the concept is at least safe, they still don’t know how effective it will be in humans.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Forgive me if I ignore anything that is based on information out of China on this topic. There are plenty of cases for these institutions to study in the US (or Europe). I will pay attention to results when respected researchers do their own research.

So long as you deign who is respected and who isn't. I'll wait for your calls on that.

 

[GoofGoof]

So long as you deign who is respected and who isn't. I'll wait for your calls on that.

...whoever agrees with me is respected

 

[Parker in NYC]

...whoever agrees with me is respected

I see what you did there.

 

[JoeCamel]

Well, this is new.I don't think WDW will open next month or the one after that.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday he is issuing an executive order directing all New Yorkers to wear a face mask covering their nose and mouth when in public during the current coronavirus pandemic. Cuomo said he will give people a three-day notice period to comply with the new rule, which applies in situations where people are unable to fully comply with social-distancing rules, such as on a subway platform or busy street.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Well, this is new.I don't think WDW will open next month or the one after that.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday he is issuing an executive order directing all New Yorkers to wear a face mask covering their nose and mouth when in public during the current coronavirus pandemic. Cuomo said he will give people a three-day notice period to comply with the new rule, which applies in situations where people are unable to fully comply with social-distancing rules, such as on a subway platform or busy street.

Frankly, I don't know who'd venture into the subway without wearing a mask. Or on a busy street (if those exist anymore). I walk right down the middle of 7th avenue with nary a person in sight!