Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Giss Neric]

I am seeing ads for masks every time I go to Facebook.

Any experience with these masks advertised as keeping the virus out? I know surgical masks and homemade bandana masks don’t do that.

I am high risk but still have to venture out. If they really work, it could be a good purchase.

I personally just use those homemade masks but I wear two of them whenever I go grocery shopping. I don't know though since you're high risk you might need those N95 masks for better protection.

 

[DisneyCane]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the test before you travel ?

Yes but it would be more difficult to do from a logistical standpoint where the destination country can trust the result.

The only way for it to work with pre tests is if countries agreed to test everyone (including employees) before they enter an airport even for domestic travel.

Even with tests (on either end of travel) it won't be perfect. Someone could get infected a short time before the flight and not have a detectable viral load yet. Hopefully the risk of that will be low as I assume countries would have to get below a certain new case rate before other countries allowed travelers from there to enter.

For example, right now South Korea has a low enough rate that it would be fine to allow travelers from there with arrival testing but Italy or Spain does not (nor does the USA but my example is from a USA perspective).

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Yes but it would be more difficult to do from a logistical standpoint where the destination country can trust the result.

The only way for it to work with pre tests is if countries agreed to test everyone (including employees) before they enter an airport even for domestic travel.

Even with tests (on either end of travel) it won't be perfect. Someone could get infected a short time before the flight and not have a detectable viral load yet. Hopefully the risk of that will be low as I assume countries would have to get below a certain new case rate before other countries allowed travelers from there to enter.

For example, right now South Korea has a low enough rate that it would be fine to allow travelers from there with arrival testing but Italy or Spain does not (nor does the USA but my example is from a USA perspective).

I have a feeling it's going to be a long time, possibly a year or more before we see international travel restrictions lifted. I think when you consider how this outbreak happened, countries are going to be reticent to open their borders moving forward, especially when the reality of an outbreak exists at any moment. When you consider that business travel makes up for something like 75% of the revenues from the airlines, and business travel will be a non-starter for the remainder of the year for most countries, I don't even know if it matters because airlines/airports won't be able to support flying long haul flights on the minuscule revenues they will have.

 

[DisneyCane]

I have a feeling it's going to be a long time, possibly a year or more before we see international travel restrictions lifted. I think when you consider how this outbreak happened, countries are going to be reticent to open their borders moving forward, especially when the reality of an outbreak exists at any moment. When you consider that business travel makes up for something like 75% of the revenues from the airlines, and business travel will be a non-starter for the remainder of the year for most countries, I don't even know if it matters because airlines/airports won't be able to support flying long haul flights on the minuscule revenues they will have.

You could be right. I guess a lot depends on how quickly countries get their outbreaks under control to a South Korea like manageable level.

 

[NedLand]

 

[Kamikaze]

I am seeing ads for masks every time I go to Facebook.

Any experience with these masks advertised as keeping the virus out? I know surgical masks and homemade bandana masks don’t do that.

I am high risk but still have to venture out. If they really work, it could be a good purchase.

You're probably seeing ads for KN95 masks, which are the same as N95, but made in China and not approved in the US.

Here's the secret - even the N95 masks don't really keep this virus out. This virus' size is .1 micron. The filters on N95/KN95 masks are .3 microns. The thought is that most particles (dust for example) that the virus attaches to are going to be .3 or larger, but that isn't always the case. And in the case of those droplets, you don't really need the N95/KN95 because most things will 'catch' objects that size instead of them going into your mouth.

 

[Kamikaze]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the test before you travel ?

You're talking immunity papers at that point, which don't stop you from catching the infection after you've had the test. Only way to be sure you don't have it right at that moment is to test you right at that moment.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

With the updated guidance from California, it is likely Disneyland will not open until August at the earliest. Given that Florida's predicament is somewhat similar and the CDC guidelines will likely mirror California's (even if FL Gov. DeSantis doesn't take as hard of a line), I can''t imagine an earlier open on the east coast:

Disneyland Reopening ‘Unlikely’ Through August as California Rules Out Mass Gatherings

Reopening Disneyland before the fall became “unlikely” as California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced that mass gatherings with thousands of people are “not in the cards” through the end of the summer. Disney’s two Anaheim

www.micechat.com

It’s pushing it out further then I even thought and I think I was in the minority of people saying July or August a month ago. If this holds true we may be looking at September?October? There is a lot to do before opening these massive parks to thousands of people. Masks and social distancing I don’t believe will work in places this big.Testing will help but who knows what’s going to be happening months from now. Hoping once again I’m wrong but the cards are being put in place.

 

[Kevin_W]

You're probably seeing ads for KN95 masks, which are the same as N95, but made in China and not approved in the US.

Here's the secret - even the N95 masks don't really keep this virus out. This virus' size is .1 micron. The filters on N95/KN95 masks are .3 microns. The thought is that most particles (dust for example) that the virus attaches to are going to be .3 or larger, but that isn't always the case. And in the case of those droplets, you don't really need the N95/KN95 because most things will 'catch' objects that size instead of them going into your mouth.

I don't mean this as a personal attack Kamikaze, but that is not correct at all. Filters (N95/HEPA/ULPA/etc.) are specified for a % efficiency at 0.3 microns because that is size that most easily penetrates the filter. Both larger and smaller particles will be filtered at a higher % efficiency. Here is a good summary from Donaldson: http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/documents/pdfs/042665.pdf

I know this is not intuitive, but as you get to very small particle sizes, different filtration effects besides impaction dominate.

Bottom line, yes those filters are going to be effective, even against viruses.

 

[Kamikaze]

I don't mean this as a personal attack Kamikaze, but that is not correct at all. Filters (N95/HEPA/ULPA/etc.) are specified for a % efficiency at 0.3 microns because that is size that most easily penetrates the filter. Both larger and smaller particles will be filtered at a higher % efficiency. Here is a good summary from Donaldson: http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/documents/pdfs/042665.pdf

I know this is not intuitive, but as you get to very small particle sizes, different filtration effects besides impaction dominate.

Bottom line, yes those filters are going to be effective, even against viruses.

Right, and its the N95 mask because its 95% effective against objects of .3 microns. This coronavirus is .1 microns. Therefore, it can pass through the mask if it is transmitted on its own (not with spit or dust). All your page says is 'this is how filters work'. How do you think so many healthcare workers get infected if the masks always work? Yes, the masks stop most transmission. Yes, its possible (like on your link) for the mask to 'catch' the object and diffuse entry. But its also possible for it to pass straight through without the mask doing anything at all.

 

[DisneyCane]

You're probably seeing ads for KN95 masks, which are the same as N95, but made in China and not approved in the US.

Here's the secret - even the N95 masks don't really keep this virus out. This virus' size is .1 micron. The filters on N95/KN95 masks are .3 microns. The thought is that most particles (dust for example) that the virus attaches to are going to be .3 or larger, but that isn't always the case. And in the case of those droplets, you don't really need the N95/KN95 because most things will 'catch' objects that size instead of them going into your mouth.

I don't mean this as a personal attack Kamikaze, but that is not correct at all. Filters (N95/HEPA/ULPA/etc.) are specified for a % efficiency at 0.3 microns because that is size that most easily penetrates the filter. Both larger and smaller particles will be filtered at a higher % efficiency. Here is a good summary from Donaldson: http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/documents/pdfs/042665.pdf

I know this is not intuitive, but as you get to very small particle sizes, different filtration effects besides impaction dominate.

Bottom line, yes those filters are going to be effective, even against viruses.

Thank you Kevin for posting that. Also, part of the mask specification is the leakage around the seal.

For Kamikaze, there is a reason that global health authorities specify N95 (or FFP2 or KN95 depending on country) for PPE when dealing with infectious disease. No, they are not a 100% guarantee that you can't possibly contract the virus but they do provide significant protection when fitted properly. The only 100% protection is a sealed hazmat suit with positive pressure and non-contaminated air supply.

 

[Kamikaze]

Thank you Kevin for posting that. Also, part of the mask specification is the leakage around the seal.

For Kamikaze, there is a reason that global health authorities specify N95 (or FFP2 or KN95 depending on country) for PPE when dealing with infectious disease. No, they are not a 100% guarantee that you can't possibly contract the virus but they do provide significant protection when fitted properly. The only 100% protection is a sealed hazmat suit with positive pressure and non-contaminated air supply.

Where exactly did I say differently?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You're probably seeing ads for KN95 masks, which are the same as N95, but made in China and not approved in the US.

I’ve seen them called KN95 and KF94. Examples: (The first two pics are the same item. The last pic is just for fun, but it’s a real ad on my page.) Comments seem to indicate they are taking a long time to arrive. I may be better off with the standard N95 for now.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Still the best mask you can buy. Little levity for the morning.

 

[Lilofan]

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If anyone needs a place to stay minus the AC, this building off of I-4/Longwood that's been unfinished/vacant for many years..

 

[marni1971]

I have a feeling it's going to be a long time, possibly a year or more before we see international travel restrictions lifted.

Airlines are chomping at the bit (yours and ours) to restart. I dare say political pressure will be exerted (for better or for worse)

United have filed for routes in five weeks time. Unlikely, but they’re looking for a sooner rather than later resumption. No mention of what restrictions or regulations will be implemented.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Airlines are chomping at the bit (yours and ours) to restart. I dare say political pressure will be exerted (for better or for worse)

United have filed for routes in five weeks time. Unlikely, but they’re looking for a sooner rather than later resumption. No mention of what restrictions or regulations will be implemented.

I definitely think they're chomping at the bit to resume their flights. I just look at the landscape and think that we may be finding a time where globalism is scaled way back due to this. In addition, the airlines may get a dose of reality when they start flying and realize there's still no one on those flights. I think business travel is going to be largely non-existent through the end of the year (the risk of flying for business and the cost savings are my reasons why) and thus you're relying on the 25% to carry the airlines through.

I think with the US domestic airlines, you're going to see at least one major go out of business with the budget carriers quickly falling off as well. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the heavyweights (Delta or AA) also fall as well with my money being on AA (I sure hope not since I live in Dallas).

We're going to become very disconnected from other countries in terms of travel I think.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Airlines are chomping at the bit (yours and ours) to restart. I dare say political pressure will be exerted (for better or for worse)

United have filed for routes in five weeks time. Unlikely, but they’re looking for a sooner rather than later resumption. No mention of what restrictions or regulations will be implemented.

They can chomp at the bit all they want but unless,as we know, people are not going anywhere with their kids and family if they don’t feel safe. A lot of work to do on that front.

 

[shernernum]

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Deep cut there....lol

 

[marni1971]

They can chomp at the bit all they want but unless,as we know, people are not going anywhere with their kids and family if they don’t feel safe. A lot of work to do on that front.

I mentioned earlier that I know a few travel agents both over here and over there. As soon as the officials say yes, there will be a tidal wave of visitors. No one is cancelling - quite the opposite.

Straw poll I know.