Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Calmdownnow]

I wouldn't mind having my temperature checked if it allowed me to use the face mask at my own discretion. I'd definitely put it on while in queue/pre-show, for example.

I think you are missing some key points. In China and S. Korea, if you failed the temp check you weren't just denied entry, you were expected to go into self-isolation (not go back to your hotel room and try again the next day, or head off to another venue that wasn't doing temp. checks). If you followed the Asian model, failing a temp check at the Park gate could exclude you from your hotel room and from your travel back to your home. If you couldn't get back home to isolate, you might be put in a specified isolation facility. I can't see the U.S. doing this, so temp checks at Disney are unlikely to achieve a great deal.

Since the earlier days, testing in other countries has shown that you can pass a temp check and still have the virus -- and more importantly can be spreading the infection because you are asymptomatic but still contagious. The wearing a face mask is primarily intended to protect everyone else from these asymptomatic spreaders of the disease. not protect you from others. Your "discretionary use" when it suits you does not protect others from the risk that you might pose.

 

[peter11435]

the test group data is saying moms won’t bring their kids out. I hope my research is wrong but my company is dependent on people going back to normal but the data is showing it is not going to happen.

Test group data here is going to prove very different from reality. If I’m answering right now from my house, sure I don’t want those restrictions and want things back to normal. But you can bet that those same people you are hearing from are not going to continuing sitting in their houses for months on end after things open up, just because there are restrictions still in place.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It has nothing to do with loans. Any company that is facing potential layoffs or furloughs should be able to cover their payroll through a government program rather than those employees being sent to the unemployment line. This makes the process smoother for the government and the employees and saves the government hundreds of millions.

Yes, but surely even then, the government would want to make sure the money is going for what it's supposed to, would they not? Point being, my husband's company isn't applying for federal money because they don't want to have to prove anything. My husband being high-risk, they actually laid him off a week before anyone knew non-essential businesses were going to have to close.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Some people will be against it because of privacy issues. Probably anyone scared of the temperature check would be scared to go to WDW even without it. Many people will be reluctant to go anywhere too far from their homes for a little while after things open up. It’s one thing to be in a grocery store or even a restaurant for an hour but going for a number of days to WDW is a much bigger step.

They were already doing it on DCL prior to boarding...not anything new.

 

[gmajew]

Test group data here is going to prove very different from reality. If I’m answering right now from my house, sure I don’t want those restrictions and want things back to normal. But you can bet that those same people you are hearing from are not going to continuing sitting in their houses for months on end after things open up, just because there are restrictions still in place.

I hope you are right but very rarely is it wrong. Especially when focus group is moms with children. Which is the number 1 discussion make in the economy. As families spend most money in restaurants etc.

 

[gmajew]

It has nothing to do with loans. Any company that is facing potential layoffs or furloughs should be able to cover their payroll through a government program rather than those employees being sent to the unemployment line. This makes the process smoother for the government and the employees and saves the government hundreds of millions.

if you can get a gov loan. Most small business are not going to be able to get them. And most people that have been laid off will want to sit at home and collect unemployment as they will make more.

 

[techgeek]

The money should be going to the companies to maintain their payroll instead of individuals through unemployment. Rather than the state individually processing, vetting, and paying 70k individuals it could be done as a single transaction with the employer and save tens of millions of dollars while protecting jobs and citizens.

This is essentially what the Paycheck Protection Program part of the CARES act was supposed to allow small business to do... keep people on payroll instead of dumping them into unemployment.

The communication and implementation of most of the act has been such a disaster that almost no one is getting money in a timely enough manner to actually let that happen. Directly after the law was passed no one knew how to apply to what programs and in what amounts, so the general guidance was ‘apply to everything, including state unemployment, and we’ll see what comes through first.’ The SBA took weeks to get banks up to speed, and now the banks have to process individual loans and it’s taking forever. So haphazard implementations from the SBA also caused untold numbers to hit the unemployment system that, if it worked the way it was written, wouldn’t have.

The only part of the massive stimulus bill that seems to actually be working as intended is the $1200 stimulus checks from treasury / IRS, which should be hitting accounts shortly.

 

[peter11435]

Yes, but surely even then, the government would want to make sure the money is going for what it's supposed to, would they not? Point being, my husband's company isn't applying for federal money because they don't want to have to prove anything. My husband being high-risk, they actually laid him off a week before anyone knew non-essential businesses were going to have to close.

The government would easily know if the money wasn’t being used properly. If any employee was laid off, furloughed, or wasn’t being properly paid, that employee would report that.

 

[Nunu]

I think you are missing some key points. In China and S. Korea, if you failed the temp check you weren't just denied entry, you were expected to go into self-isolation (not go back to your hotel room and try again the next day, or head off to another venue that wasn't doing temp. checks). If you followed the Asian model, failing a temp check at the Park gate could exclude you from your hotel room and from your travel back to your home. If you couldn't get back home to isolate, you might be put in a specified isolation facility. I can't see the U.S. doing this, so temp checks at Disney are unlikely to achieve a great deal.

Since the earlier days, testing in other countries has shown that you can pass a temp check and still have the virus -- and more importantly can be spreading the infection because you are asymptomatic but still contagious. The wearing a face mask is primarily intended to protect everyone else from these asymptomatic spreaders of the disease. not protect you from others. Your "discretionary use" when it suits you does not protect others from the risk that you might pose.

And I agree. It was just a mask vs taking temperature hypothetical about the parks.

 

[Calmdownnow]

If any employee was laid off, furloughed, or wasn’t being properly paid, that employee would report that.

And then wait for the investigation and finally get their money months after they needed it.

 

[peter11435]

I hope you are right but very rarely is it wrong. Especially when focus group is moms with children. Which is the number 1 discussion make in the economy. As families spend most money in restaurants etc.

Focus group data is often accurate but also often flawed depending on circumstances. Very rarely has the world seen anything like this. Moms with children aren’t going to stay home for a year even after things reopen just because they are afraid of some additional safety measures.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They were already doing it on DCL prior to boarding...not anything new.

That’s a cruise line, it’s not day to day life in the USA. So yes it would be something very new if implemented in the USA.

For that matter... it was unusual on cruise lines. I’ve been on multiple cruises and never had my temperature checked.

 

[peter11435]

if you can get a gov loan. Most small business are not going to be able to get them. And most people that have been laid off will want to sit at home and collect unemployment as they will make more.

This is essentially what the Paycheck Protection Program part of the CARES act was supposed to allow small business to do... keep people on payroll instead of dumping them into unemployment.

The communication and implementation of most of the act has been such a disaster that almost no one is getting money in a timely enough manner to actually let that happen. Directly after the law was passed no one knew how to apply to what programs and in what amounts, so the general guidance was ‘apply to everything, including state unemployment, and we’ll see what comes through first.’ The SBA took weeks to get banks up to speed, and now the banks have to process individual loans and it’s taking forever. So haphazard implementations from the SBA also caused untold numbers to hit the unemployment system that, if it worked the way it was written, wouldn’t have.

The only part of the massive stimulus bill that seems to actually be working as intended is the $1200 stimulus checks from treasury / IRS, which should be hitting accounts shortly.

And this all goes back to those in charge largely being stupid and incompetent. They laid the groundwork but failed to properly utilize
It everywhere it was important and then failed miserably on implementation.

The government is going to spend significantly more on unemployment Payouts than it would have on payroll coverage. In addition it will incur significantly higher costs to facilitate those payouts than it would if it were simply covering payroll. And all the while it will do nothing to protect the actual jobs.

 

[GoofGoof]

Focus group data is often accurate but also often flawed depending on circumstances. Very rarely has the world seen anything like this. Moms with children aren’t going to stay home for a year even after things reopen just because they are afraid of some additional safety measures.

I think it’s all how you market it. If people perceive that there’s a need for temperature checks because WDW is a place that It’s likely for people to get sick then they may avoid it. If however they properly market it as a safe place that is doing temperature checks out of an abundance of caution and also highlight other steps taken (employee screening, extra cleaning, etc) it can actually help make people feel more comfortable even if the check isn’t really going to catch all virus carriers.

 

[peter11435]

And then wait for the investigation and finally get their money months after they needed it.

I don’t think it would be necessary. Companies would largely do the right thing here to avoid the negative consequences and immediate negative PR if they violated the agreement. There would be no incentive to not use the money for employees.

Instead people are waiting for unemployment processing for months and then will eventually get that money months after they needed it.

The government could investigate and process the few claims of employer violations far quicker and more efficiently than it can process the millions of unemployment claims.

 

[Slpy3270]

We cannot dismiss the possibility that Disney will ask for federal bailout once it becomes clear that the parks will likely be closed for the whole year.

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[gmajew]

The government would easily know if the money wasn’t being used properly. If any employee was laid off, furloughed, or wasn’t being properly paid, that employee would report that.

You don’t get it... most of the orders laid off are service industry people. They are getting max state unemployment and an additional 600 from the fed every week for 12 weeks. they are now making 50k a year for 12 weeks. That is more then they were before. They won’t come back to work unit, they have to.

 

[gmajew]

Focus group data is often accurate but also often flawed depending on circumstances. Very rarely has the world seen anything like this. Moms with children aren’t going to stay home for a year even after things reopen just because they are afraid of some additional safety measures.

No they are staying home because they can keep theirs Kids safe. Safety measures are worthless.... with this virus as so many can have it with no symptoms.

 

[peter11435]

You don’t get it... most of the orders laid off are service industry people. They are getting max state unemployment and an additional 600 from the fed every week for 12 weeks. they are now making 50k a year for 12 weeks. That is more then they were before. They won’t come back to work unit, they have to.

I don’t think you get it. They never should have been laid off or furloughed in the first place. They should have continued being paid there normal pay, just as Disney has been doing for the past 5 weeks. Only the government should be paying that through the employers instead of paying it through unemployment.

They wouldn’t be making more than they were before they would be making exactly what they made before. Which would save the government hundreds of millions, keep the employees paid, and protect the jobs.

 

[gmajew]

I don’t think you get it. They never should have been laid off or furloughed in the first place. They should have continued being paid there normal pay, just as Disney has been doing for the past 5 weeks. Only the government should be paying that through the employers instead of paying it through unemployment.

They wouldn’t be making more than they were before they would be making exactly what they made before. Which would save the government hundreds of millions, keep the employees paid, and protect the jobs.

Have you ever ran a business? When you don’t know if you are going to be able to pay next weeks bills because revenue is down 85 percent or more and you have already burned through you back up cash covering last weeks payroll. What are you to do?

keep paying everyone and keeping them employees as you wait for the economy to open back up?

NO YOU HABE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS AND LAY OFF PEOPLE. AS YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

THEN WHEN YOU GET A LOAN IF YOU GET A LOAN AND YOU TEY TO HIRE PEOPLE BACK THEY SAY NO... AS THEY ARE MAKING MIRE SITTING ON COACH.