Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

 

[MisterPenguin]

pretty lame reporting on some of those topics... like the carrier story. The captain likely didn't get removed because of his letter... but because someone (we assume him or someone through him) leaked it to the press.

Oops, meant to link this instead...

Where America Didn’t Stay Home Even as the Virus Spread (Published 2020)

People in Florida and elsewhere continued to travel widely during the week of March 23, potentially exposing more people to the coronavirus, phone data shows.

www.nytimes.com

 

[flynnibus]

Interesting.. going the furlough model.

This was... inevitable...

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

If you lived through the '92 LA riots, you saw how well that works...

Lived in LA at the time. That’s why we moved.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

And now everyone's furloughed

Except for union members it appears.

 

[note2001]

Except for union members it appears.

I take it animal care, including the aquariums, security and a number of other essential services must be union. Other folk such as vets are ??? contract?

 

[Frank the Tank]

Your example is because the mention of speech was determined to mean political or religious speech not "say anything you want." The part about exercise of religion and freedom to assemble are explicit. An infected person can be prevented from attending via quarantine but you can't restrict the service because someone might be infected and might spread it.

I don't think that churches should have services right now but I do think that if they challenged the constitutionality of the restriction they would win.

I'm an attorney. No, the churches likely wouldn't win.

Think of fire codes that limit the number of people in a building. Those fire codes apply regardless of why people might assemble in a building, whether it's for what's widely regarded as highly protected speech (e.g. religious services, political party meetings, etc.) or assemblies that don't have the same type of First Amendment scrutiny (e.g. a concert or sporting event). As long as a fire code is neutral in its application (meaning that it's not *specifically* applying rules to religious institutions that are somehow more discriminatory than any other type of group), then that's going to pass constitutional muster because the government has a compelling interest in the protecting the safety of its citizens that overrides any First Amendment argument for that particular situation. As a result, a religious institution can't argue that the government is infringing upon its freedom to assemble because a fire code restricts the number of people in a church building to 100 people even though 200 people might want to attend a service.

In essence, the orders limiting the number of people gathering in one place that you're seeing across the country are the equivalent of a national fire code. As long as those orders are neutral in their application and not somehow more stringent toward religious groups, they're likely to be held up as constitutional. (To be sure, I certainly believe there will be groups that will attempt to sue on constitutional grounds just on principle, but I doubt they'd get past the motion for summary judgment stage for the reasons that I've stated above.)

 

[Lilofan]

Except for union members it appears.

Usually Disney comes out with a few announcements. Their fate will be learned soon.

 

[21stamps]

Failure to read link.

Actually, I read the link, and I’m familiar with the subject itself. I wonder if people realize that deferring money owed isn’t really the same as bringing money in. All it’s doing is pushing it off.. I also wonder if everyone realizes that a lot of bank owned mortgages are not actually FHA or federally backed.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Your example is because the mention of speech was determined to mean political or religious speech not "say anything you want." The part about exercise of religion and freedom to assemble are explicit. An infected person can be prevented from attending via quarantine but you can't restrict the service because someone might be infected and might spread it.

I don't think that churches should have services right now but I do think that if they challenged the constitutionality of the restriction they would win.

forgive me quoting this exact post...as I think you more clearly expressed your point in other posts, but the courts have ruled multiple times that freedoms can be suspended during a war. READ: Schenck V .United States:

“[w]hen a nation is at war, many things that might be said in times of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight, and that no Court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right.”

During the Civil War, Lincoln suspended telegraph lines, and shut down newspapers. during WWI, we had the Sedition Act of 1918. (people could not criticize the war, or demand an early end, etc.) READ: Debs v. United States

As far as pandemics are concerned, READ Jacobson V. Massachusetts, for a start. Governments have the power to establish laws to control epidemic disease. Elected representatives have the power to enact health laws to protect the common good.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I also wonder if everyone realizes that a lot of bank owned mortgages are not actually FHA or federally backed.

Hence, why I stated it wouldn't work for everybody. Depends on the situation.

 

[Disney Analyst]

My friend who works for Disney is also part of Aspire getting an education thanks to Disney. It sounds like they'll continue to fund Aspire so he can continue his schooling, thank goodness.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Please let’s not pretend that we would have seen these mass layoffs without government interference.

I don't doubt we would have to some extent. I'm from Vegas, and before any American government interference was happening, we were suffering badly because of the virus. Most hotels under 10% occupancy, which is almost unheard of.

I think a lot of you had too much faith that the economy was going to stay strong. I understand my example of tourism is anecdotal and might not even work for other sectors, but the ripple effect was going to impact us in SOME way. Maybe our economy would have been 50-60% of the losses that we're seeing right now.

 

[Magic Feather]

I take it animal care, including the aquariums, security and a number of other essential services must be union. Other folk such as vets are ??? contract?

Essential services/cast members are not being furloughed and will continue to work.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

I thought that, too. Sea World employers were furloughed but got a notice that their benefits expire on March 31. It’s a bit confusing.

Sea World is a whole other reason.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Sea World is a whole other reason.

I have no idea how Sea World reopens when this is all said and done.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I have no idea how Sea World reopens when this is all said and done.

I hope it does. Hope Legoland does as well.

 

[Calmdownnow]

Please let’s not pretend that we would have seen these mass layoffs without government interference.

I think what you are trying to say here is that "do you really think U.S. employers would have put the health and safety of their workers and their customers above profit if the government hadn't made them".

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

I hope it does. Hope Legoland does as well.

I hope so as well. I just know financially they were not in the best spot before this.

Legoland is going to need to lean into locals big time. Their location is not the best and with dollars going to be tighter for tourism, less people are going to make a trek an hour away from WDW.

 

[celluloid]

I have no idea how Sea World reopens when this is all said and done.

It may be a blessing in disguise. Maybe one that will be as good or better leadership. Either way, at most grim, it takes someone who knows they can turn a profit off it and with the stock so low it will be easy to if someone picks it up. Even if it is rough waters they will turn it around to someone that will.

Six Flags will be very interesting as they will likely have the same thing happen and there are so many of those parks who knows what companies will absorb or pick at them.