News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Flugell

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The photographs of people gathering together and eating out , presumably for pleasure and not because they need food parcels would potentially cause me to riot in protest for their stupidity and selfishness. Stay home, stay safe, be kind to each other and do not place innocent people at risk by defying orders or requests from mayors or Governors. Sorry from U.K. so have limited understanding of the constitution but have enough respect for the founding fathers to truly believe that if they were around today they would suspend the relevant sections of the constitution. Please, I know it’s hard and that financial constraints are impacting on millions of people but I feel that your government will need to help even more.
 

"El Scorpion"

Come back, plane.
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In the Parks
No
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They’ll be paying double mortgages for the next couple of months if their tenant chooses not to/can’t pay.
Maybe. But not necessarily. Each situation is different depending on circumstances.

 

carolina_yankee

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I'm an Episcopal priest and devoted Disney fan - as such, I would love to shower pixie dust over everything. Alas, I can't.

In our weekly Zoom with the Bishop today, he girded us for the reality that we are in this for the long haul. He has already ordered churches closed through May 1 (this is NJ), but the expectation is that will be extended to June and possibly into July. He is connected politically and medically, and he's using information he's getting from medical professionals and scientists.

The tendency for humans is to want to revert to the normal. We are being prepared to pastor in a situation in which that simply isn't going to happen. This is this century's defining moment like WWI, Great Depression, WWII was for the last century. We are going to have to make those levels of sacrifices, cope with those levels of losses, and exercise those levels of generosity, community cohesion, and creativity. We can learn that American ingenuity can get us through this. We can also learn that American individualism will kill us. The decisions we make now have to be based on "what is best for the common good."

The economic toll is going to be horrific. It's going to be horrific if we continue shutdowns for another 2 months or more. It's going to be horrific if we try "to go back to normal" and face the death and collapse of health care that twill bring. Last week, we hit 1,000 deaths in the US. We will be at 10,000 around Palm Sunday. We will be escalating to 100,000 at some point in May or earlier if we don't take this seriously.

Economic disaster will also create a death toll. We have to gird ourselves for loss, sacrifice, and adaptation to a new way fo being. The question before us is how do we want to go about doing that? The hope before us is that life came back in wonderful and dynamic ways after each of those horrific moments in the 20th century. I have every bit of faith that it will for us, too. But we aren't getting to the promised land without the wandering in the desert, or to Easter without Good Friday.

And I have to say at some point you have to step back from news and Covid threads and go for a walk - waive to another person, chat with a friend - gotta have connection. That's essential. I'm preaching to me on that one.

Dirk
 

rowrbazzle

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This is no surprise to anyone who looked at the projections. The peaks were clearly in mid-April. Even at the end of March, anyone could see it coming (I certainly did) and if they thought we'd be going to church on Easter, there were very... let's say... non-knowing-ful.

The peak hasn't moved. People's wrong suppositions are now faced with that reality.
Everything you just wrote is exactly the opposite of what Dr. Acton is saying on my tv as we speak.

We, in Ohio, have been flattening the curve, we pushed off our peak which is giving hospitals more time to prepare., and now, this new round of “..til May 1st” might still not be enough time, according to her.
The peaks have definitely moved at the state level. Flattening the curve has the effect of spreading it out. In Texas the peaks were early April. Now they're May. It's the same in Virginia. So the infection and death projections have improved, but the apparent need for more time distancing has increased.
 

Rimmit

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It's not deaths per day, it's can you afford to go thru the mcdonalds drive thru? Can you pay the rent this month? Is your cell phone bill shut off for non payment. Did you end up having domestic issues in your house from being cooped up... those are the things it will take and trust me.. all of that and worse is coming.
The reason why deaths/day is such a strong motivation to stay at home is that it quantifies what is happening and it is also to some degree a quantifiable “fear factor”. The urge to break out and riot can be quelled by fear.

The fear of not being able to pay your bills or be beaten from domestic abuse can be overridden by a fear of death. The fear of death is one of the strongest motivators a human can have and it is one of the primary motivators keeping people at home at this time. If the government was locking down the US for a disease that had a minimal death rate, and was killing at best 5 people per day at it’s peak, you can bet there would be riots. There is no way the public would tolerate it. I sure wouldn’t.

The government loses a lot of the power to keep people in line as this death rate drops, because the amount of fear drops. That’s why the death rate is important. Without death the government only has a bark and no bite.
 

21stamps

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Maybe. But not necessarily. Each situation is different depending on circumstances.


Sure you could defer for a few months and then pay at that time. The result is the same either way
 

21stamps

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I'm an Episcopal priest and devoted Disney fan - as such, I would love to shower pixie dust over everything. Alas, I can't.

In our weekly Zoom with the Bishop today, he girded us for the reality that we are in this for the long haul. He has already ordered churches closed through May 1 (this is NJ), but the expectation is that will be extended to June and possibly into July. He is connected politically and medically, and he's using information he's getting from medical professionals and scientists.

The tendency for humans is to want to revert to the normal. We are being prepared to pastor in a situation in which that simply isn't going to happen. This is this century's defining moment like WWI, Great Depression, WWII was for the last century. We are going to have to make those levels of sacrifices, cope with those levels of losses, and exercise those levels of generosity, community cohesion, and creativity. We can learn that American ingenuity can get us through this. We can also learn that American individualism will kill us. The decisions we make now have to be based on "what is best for the common good."

The economic toll is going to be horrific. It's going to be horrific if we continue shutdowns for another 2 months or more. It's going to be horrific if we try "to go back to normal" and face the death and collapse of health care that twill bring. Last week, we hit 1,000 deaths in the US. We will be at 10,000 around Palm Sunday. We will be escalating to 100,000 at some point in May or earlier if we don't take this seriously.

Economic disaster will also create a death toll. We have to gird ourselves for loss, sacrifice, and adaptation to a new way fo being. The question before us is how do we want to go about doing that? The hope before us is that life came back in wonderful and dynamic ways after each of those horrific moments in the 20th century. I have every bit of faith that it will for us, too. But we aren't getting to the promised land without the wandering in the desert, or to Easter without Good Friday.

And I have to say at some point you have to step back from news and Covid threads and go for a walk - waive to another person, chat with a friend - gotta have connection. That's essential. I'm preaching to me on that one.

Dirk
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I know this is tough on priests and pastors.
 

"El Scorpion"

Come back, plane.
Premium Member
In the Parks
No
Sure you could defer for a few months and then pay at that time. The result is the same either way
No. You can "skip" 12 months and then add the 12 months to the end of your loan. Again. Doesn't work for everybody. But for some it does.
 

John park hopper

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I'm not a lawyer so I need help with this ... does one ALSO have a constitutional right to emergency health care and immunity from prosecution and lawsuits if one gets sick or spreads a life threatening disease through reckless behavior? Asking for a friend.
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Freedom to be stupid, guess what there is nothing in the Constitution that says you have a right to healthcare when you become infected with Covid-19. I am a staunch supporter of the Constitution just because the Constitution allows you to do something does not mean you should --- common sense should prevail
 

note2001

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I'm not a lawyer so I need help with this ... does one ALSO have a constitutional right to emergency health care and immunity from prosecution and lawsuits if one gets sick or spreads a life threatening disease through reckless behavior? Asking for a friend.
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This piisses me off so bad. I literally just walked away from my dad's funeral. We were permitted only 10 people there and for the safety of my mom none of us could even hug her or stand by her to console her. All total we had 6 of us if you include the priest and my three kids. A few family friends could have come, but they are mostly elderly and stayed home for their own safety. We did what we could given the circumstances. Followed the rules to keep everyone safe.

And here these jerks are showing off their stupidity. I truly pray that no one suffers for their arrogance.
 
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flynnibus

Premium Member
pretty lame reporting on some of those topics... like the carrier story. The captain likely didn't get removed because of his letter... but because someone (we assume him or someone through him) leaked it to the press.
 

DCBaker

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"HBO is unlocking its biggest trove of free programming ever — in a goodwill gesture as people look for a diversion during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The WarnerMedia-owned premium cabler is making almost 500 hours of programming available to stream for free for a limited time on HBO Now and HBO Go services without a subscription, starting this Friday, April 3."

 
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