News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Kevin_W

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Since today has been depressing, I will still cling to the good news that for most of the world, the curve-flattening effort is working:

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The US obviously still sucks with linearly-increasing cases by day, but Europe has been pretty flat as a whole. My hope is that much of the US rise is a result of increased testing, but I can't find good data on # of tests administered per day (aside from a USA Today article saying it has ramped up rapidly and now >100,000 per day are being processed in the US).

It hasn't even been that bad for us compared to many - my wife and I are employed (I hope that can continue). We live in a school district with the resources for pretty efficient distance learning. But even with that, we're at the end of week 3 right now and it's really hard. The thought of another 4 weeks, at least, is pretty depressing.
 

21stamps

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What I am about to write is not for any political discussion or to express any political opinion. I'm just writing a fact:

The executive order explicitly doesn't supersede any prior executive order. Therefore, the prior executive order related to Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe is still in effect. That prior order uses guidelines established for Miami-Dade for the definition of essential activities. Therefore, Palm Beach and south on the east coast are still under the more strict restrictions that were already in place.
Too many people are focussing on DeSantis and not looking at what’s really happening in different areas in the state, particularly SoFla.




1850 vehicles have been turned around and prevented from entering the Keys.

Zoe Leven, 46, tried to drive her Toyota Prius into the Keys and was stopped two separate times by deputies. She was arrested at U.S. 1 and Morris Avenue in Key Largo at 2:10 p.m. March 31.
 

DisneyMedStudent

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I don't think we can just say people who work while sick are being selfish. It's not like it's fun to work when you feel awful. If they were being selfish they'd stop working. Working while sick seems more like a behavior one does to help the company or customers. Or it's something you do if you don't have good benefits or fear for your job if you do call in sick. You said it yourself: "there was a lot of work to get done."
In the setting of a pandemic? Are you serious?
 

DCBaker

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Too many people are focussing on DeSantis and not looking at what’s really happening in different areas in the state, particularly SoFla.


Zoe Leven, 46, tried to drive her Toyota Prius into the Keys and was stopped two separate times by deputies. She was arrested at U.S. 1 and Morris Avenue in Key Largo at 2:10 p.m. March 31.
People can do multiple things at once.

This new amendment means "Hillsborough County cannot mandate churches close their doors, a rule that drew national attention after the arrest of a Tampa megachurch pastor who held two large Sunday services."

The Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren said it’s now unclear whether churches and synagogues can hold large services with “500 people packed shoulder to shoulder.”

 

RobWDW1971

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From WSJ:

A record 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week as the new coronavirus struck the U.S. economy and sent a recently booming labor market into free fall.

The large number of claims was double the 3.3 million who sought benefits two weeks ago as the U.S. shut down parts of the economy in an effort to contain the virus. Jobless claims, a proxy for layoffs, provide temporary financial assistance for workers who lose their jobs.

About 6% of the U.S. labor force has filed for jobless benefits in the last two weeks, up from 0.3% at the end of February, showing the toll from the coronavirus is gripping an ever-larger share of the U.S. economy. States indicated people from an array of industries—including restaurants, retail, trade and construction—sought unemployment benefits last week.

“The speed and magnitude of the labor market’s decline is unprecedented,” said Constance Hunter, chief economist at KPMG LLP. Ms. Hunter said she expected that millions more claims will be filed in the coming weeks and projects 20 million jobs will be lost. “We didn’t see this in the global financial crisis. We didn’t see this in the Great Depression. There’s been a total decimation of consumption.”
 

21stamps

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People can do multiple things at once.

This new amendment means "Hillsborough County cannot mandate churches close their doors, a rule that drew national attention after the arrest of a Tampa megachurch pastor who held two large Sunday services."

The Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren said it’s now unclear whether churches and synagogues can hold large services with “500 people packed shoulder to shoulder.”


You can find publication after publication, as well as plenty of citizens and politicians who are trying to turn this political... and you can continue to post such links in this thread.

Here’s the simple fact- It doesn’t override what has been put in place for South Florida, including the restrictions on accessing the Keys.
I know that for certain.
 

Jlasoon

Active Member
From WSJ:

A record 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week as the new coronavirus struck the U.S. economy and sent a recently booming labor market into free fall.

The large number of claims was double the 3.3 million who sought benefits two weeks ago as the U.S. shut down parts of the economy in an effort to contain the virus. Jobless claims, a proxy for layoffs, provide temporary financial assistance for workers who lose their jobs.

About 6% of the U.S. labor force has filed for jobless benefits in the last two weeks, up from 0.3% at the end of February, showing the toll from the coronavirus is gripping an ever-larger share of the U.S. economy. States indicated people from an array of industries—including restaurants, retail, trade and construction—sought unemployment benefits last week.

“The speed and magnitude of the labor market’s decline is unprecedented,” said Constance Hunter, chief economist at KPMG LLP. Ms. Hunter said she expected that millions more claims will be filed in the coming weeks and projects 20 million jobs will be lost. “We didn’t see this in the global financial crisis. We didn’t see this in the Great Depression. There’s been a total decimation of consumption.”
Some politicos in DC want rolling lockdowns until late fall.
 

Rimmit

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Will there be a time when we just say “ENOUGH, daily life must resume.”??
I have said this before and I will say it again. Life will resume When the governments action is not in line with the level of severity of our situation.

How many deaths/day at a consistent steady state that would be when the public feels a stay at home order is not warranted, I do not know. I suspect it partially depends on a combination of when our healthcare system stops being overwhelmed and a daily death toll less than 250/day nationwide. At that point the media and general public would likely feel some degree of safety in going back to their normal lives. That is a total guess. If the government at that point does not start to ease up, civil unrest could develop forcing the governments hand. However, as long as we are losing potentially a couple thousand people a day, the public will be content to stay at home.

Fear is a powerful motivator. Once the fear subsides a great deal of the the governments power to enforce these lockdowns is significantly weakened.
 
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TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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You can believe it - doesn't make you right.

You're talking about models in the same discussion about how to know when to stop. They won't use models to know when to stop -- They will use RESULTS.
The current peak date is all based on models. If you read through the posts, the point was that the models showed mid-April in some areas and are now showing mid-May as a result of the lock downs put in place. My question, and the point that others are trying to get across but are unable to do so because people like you are ready to jump down their throats and attack them, is if the MODELS show the peak is in August as we get closer to May, then what then? We continue to stay in doors? Obviously results will differ but you have people literally saying one thing two weeks ago and now are pushing that out BASED on the models.

Once again, not mixing anything. Stop jumping down people’s throats.
 

21stamps

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You can believe it - doesn't make you right.

You're talking about models in the same discussion about how to know when to stop. They won't use models to know when to stop -- They will use RESULTS.
You’re misunderstanding. The stay at home orders are in place based on projections for the peak hospital capacity... trying to flatten the curve as much as possible.
 

21stamps

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The current peak date is all based on models. If you read through the posts, the point was that the models showed mid-April in some areas and are now showing mid-May as a result of the lock downs put in place. My question, and the point that others are trying to get across but are unable to do so because people like you are ready to jump down their throats and attack them, is if the MODELS show the peak is in August as we get closer to May, then what then? We continue to stay in doors? Obviously results will differ but you have people literally saying one thing two weeks ago and now are pushing that out BASED on the models.

Once again, not mixing anything. Stop jumping down people’s throats.
Jinx. Lol.

Exactly.
 

Thelazer

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How many deaths/day at a consistent steady state that would be when the public feels a stay at home order is not warranted, I do not know.
It's not deaths per day, it's can you afford to go thru the mcdonalds drive thru? Can you pay the rent this month? Is your cell phone bill shut off for non payment. Did you end up having domestic issues in your house from being cooped up... those are the things it will take and trust me.. all of that and worse is coming.
 
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