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Jlasoon

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Boeing, the Airlines and the Cruise ships were going to get hit whether Americans stayed home or not. Too much of their business is global. Not at Dr Fauci’s feet. We know how damaging the cascade was from the collapse of a couple financial companies, let’s not pretend this would have had an alternative economic outcome. That’s why I liken this to a house on fire. The house is already a loss. We are only deciding whether we try to save some of the people trapped inside or not.
Beautiful paragraph! Only one problem, the people getting hit the hardest right now are small business. Not sure small business can tap billion dollar credit lines.

Do you know how many people cruise lines employ directly & indirectly in the state of FL?
 

Disney Analyst

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It's funny. I am sad for those struggling, for small business and the like. But I am also not sad that the economy is tanking... Like, we are all in the same boat. It's our system, we created it. Put it on pause, don't allow anyone to starve, or lose their business, and let's focus on the real issue.... saving lives.

I hope my mindset makes sense. I just have a hard time being upset, I know it is scary... but this is all out of our control/hands, so I can only focus on or be upset about the things I can control.
 

LittleBuford

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It's easy to hide behind - 'We'd be in worst shape'.

I've worked financial markets for decades. What's unfolding in this country & around the world makes me want to cry. The current devastation & shock to our financial system is immeasurable & beyond extreme. Equity markets are always hit first, unemployment comes second (happening as we speak), liquidity will start drying up as more & more people including business can't meet obligations, & housing will follow. This ain't a joke - and it's definitely not a car - you don't just hit the 'start' button and 'voila', economic growth! This is a self-induced government mandated depression. We're looking at 20% unemployment - companies that I love such as Disney are in for a world of hurt - they're already bleeding too much cash. Small business bankruptcy rates have already hit double digits in Central Florida. Local .gov has no idea what to do. They're all scared.

And you know what won't be reported by the media when this is all said and done? The death count from 10 years of economic 'malaise'.
What would your response to the crisis be, then? Can you suggest an alternative strategy?
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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It's funny. I am sad for those struggling, for small business and the like. But I am also not sad that the economy is tanking... Like, we are all in the same boat. It's our system, we created it. Put it on pause, don't allow anyone to starve, or lose their business, and let's focus on the real issue.... saving lives.

I hope my mindset makes sense. I just have a hard time being upset, I know it is scary... but this is all out of our control/hands, so I can only focus on or be upset about the things I can control.
We have ventured far into the political side at this point so I know we're all about to get a slap on the wrist.

Government is not stepping up to do that. Absent that, people are going to starve, businesses will go under, and the thought of saving lives takes a back burner because many could be in that same predicament (losing their lives in addition to their livelihood) without actually having the virus.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Crazy seeing the US numbers, 6 days ago the US became highest with 85,000 cases. I know this is due to better and more frequent testing. But just nuts. Really shines the light that China is fudging their numbers
We don't know that for sure.
It may well be that human genetic variation is at play.

Just as some bacterial are resistant to antibiotics, and some roaches aren't killed by certain pesticides, some people will have greater immunity to this. Even 100 years later, we still don't know why some people were immune to the 1918 flu.
 

HappyDisFam

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It's easy to hide behind - 'We'd be in worst shape'.

I've worked financial markets for decades. What's unfolding in this country & around the world makes me want to cry. The current devastation & shock to our financial system is immeasurable & beyond extreme. Equity markets are always hit first, unemployment comes second (happening as we speak), liquidity will start drying up as more & more people including business can't meet obligations, & housing will follow. This ain't a joke - and it's definitely not a car - you don't just hit the 'start' button and 'voila', economic growth! This is a self-induced government mandated depression. We're looking at 20% unemployment - companies that I love such as Disney are in for a world of hurt - they're already bleeding too much cash. Small business bankruptcy rates have already hit double digits in Central Florida. Local .gov has no idea what to do. They're all scared.

And you know what won't be reported by the media when this is all said and done? The death count from 10 years of economic 'malaise'.
Ya know what makes me actually cry? The friends and colleagues I’ve already lost to this horrific virus.
$ < people‘s lives
 

Rimmit

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Boeing, the Airlines and the Cruise ships were going to get hit whether Americans stayed home or not. Too much of their business is global. Not at Dr Fauci’s feet. We know how damaging the cascade was from the collapse of a couple financial companies, let’s not pretend this would have had an alternative economic outcome. That’s why I liken this to a house on fire. The house is already a loss. We are only deciding whether we try to save some of the people trapped inside or not.
And it’s not just saving the people inside. It’s saving the people outside as well. To further add on to your house on fire analogy, businesses that may not have been hit as hard initially due to fandom such as Disney would have its own set of issues.

Disney World in this analogy would be the burning house. People love their home as in they love Disney. Despite Disney being on fire (being infected) people feel such a strong urge to go they will rush into the fire despite everyone on Earth telling them not too. The government is basically the firefighter who is holding back the homeowner from rushing into a burning home to save some heirloom knowing if they let that person go, they would have a high chance of dying. The government is saving people from themselves in this situation.

Should the government let people have the freedom to make their own decisions? Typically yes until that free will imposes on the freedom of others. Secondhand smoke is known to be dangerous and as such it is now outlawed in the vast majority of indoor spaces outside of casinos. Going back to the analogy, If that person was allowed to run into a burning Disney world, there are now first responders obligated to save that person from their own stupidity.

Cruise ships are a prime example of this. There are still several cruise ships unable to dock for various reasons, some with Coronavirus on board with actual dead passengers (although the Zaandam May FINALLY be able to dock somewhere today.) Had the Cruiselines not voluntarily stopped cruising the sheer number of outbreaks on the ships on the ocean at this point would be insane. The burden of any port that allowed them to disembark along with having to deal with that ports own set of Covid Issues would be too much and would affect more than just the passengers who made the initial decision to board the ship.

At some point the government had to save people from themselves otherwise the poor decisions of just a handful of people can affect the masses with much greater impact.
 

John park hopper

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We have ventured far into the political side at this point so I know we're all about to get a slap on the wrist.

Government is not stepping up to do that. Absent that, people are going to starve, businesses will go under, and the thought of saving lives takes a back burner because many could be in that same predicament (losing their lives in addition to their livelihood) without actually having the virus.
Without getting political I strongly disagree with you
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
It's easy to hide behind - 'We'd be in worst shape'.

I've worked financial markets for decades. What's unfolding in this country & around the world makes me want to cry. The current devastation & shock to our financial system is immeasurable & beyond extreme. Equity markets are always hit first, unemployment comes second (happening as we speak), liquidity will start drying up as more & more people including business can't meet obligations, & housing will follow. This ain't a joke - and it's definitely not a car - you don't just hit the 'start' button and 'voila', economic growth! This is a self-induced government mandated depression. We're looking at 20% unemployment - companies that I love such as Disney are in for a world of hurt - they're already bleeding too much cash. Small business bankruptcy rates have already hit double digits in Central Florida. Local .gov has no idea what to do. They're all scared.

And you know what won't be reported by the media when this is all said and done? The death count from 10 years of economic 'malaise'.
You think a pandemic with no government response wouldn't be an economic disaster? Take Disney for example, besides a small ignorant minority, who would go to a theme park during a pandemic? Disney would shut down anyway with only 5% of regular attendance.

There would still be news of hospitals being overwhelmed, decisions made about who lives or dies -- already happening in Italy, but with no enforced measures, only much worse. And with that news, who's going to travel? Go to sports games? Go to theme parks, restaurants, movie theaters?

Who would let their child go to school or college? Who would casually shop around malls and stores?

People would wind up self-quarantining because, ya know, they don't want to die. Or let their parents or grandparents die. Or let their child with asthma die.

If you think we could have just gone about our regular economic activities while a pandemic is on the loose... you're wishful thinking there.
 

hopemax

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Beautiful paragraph! Only one problem, the people getting hit the hardest right now are small business. Not sure small business can tap billion dollar credit lines.

Do you know how many people cruise lines employ directly & indirectly in the state of FL?
They got hit in 2007-2008 too. Just over a longer period of time. I really don’t think the same businesses would be any better off in 6 months if we slow walked this. I and many others were choosing to limit movements before any official government orders, that would have hurt small business. Then all the effects of the furloughed “global business” workers who patronized those small businesses disappeared. International orders gone. I don’t see how losing 30%, 40%, 50% or more of their business for various reasons would allow these small businesses to be anymore viable. There is a floor and if customer volume drops below that it doesn’t matter if it’s by a little or a lot. The damage from going from 100% to 80% is enough to do many places in. Going from 80-0 is piling on, but the death blow has already been struck.
 

TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives

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More like, worried. Lots of people and this all has to be handled well. I know they have a plan. So, that's the important part.
They definitely have to handle it well. I think from past instances with cruise lines they've, for the most part, handled it well. They need to treat those already sick, test everyone, and quarantine for 14-21 days. That last part is easy because no one is doing anything the rest of April anyways.
 

21stamps

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Absolutely! And I say this as someone who has a family member working the frontlines in a CFL hospital. Masks need to go to the workers in this country ASAP! Anyone under 45 goes to work with a mask NOW - Or we drown financially as a country.

This must happen at some point. My state is now looking at more than 45 days of business closures/reduced operations, some states have longer closures.

It just can’t go on this way. We can’t have the majority of states going farther into May and definitely can’t go into June.
..and yet, it looks like that’s where we’re headed.
 

LittleBuford

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Absolutely! And I say this as someone who has a family member working the frontlines in a CFL hospital. Masks need to go to the workers in this country ASAP! Anyone under 45 goes to work with a mask NOW - Or we drown financially as a country.
And you’re willing to ignore the pleas of medics who are asking us to stay home in order not to overwhelm our hospitals?
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Absolutely! And I say this as someone who has a family member working the frontlines in a CFL hospital. Masks need to go to the workers in this country ASAP! Anyone under 45 goes to work with a mask NOW - Or we drown financially as a country.
How would this work? Look at schools alone. Too many teachers are over age 45. If only the under-age-45 staff came to work, they wouldn't have enough employees.

Many cafeteria workers and the vast majority of administrators are over age 45.

Other professions are the same. The median age for US employees is 42.
 
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