News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

21stamps

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Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Is Hobby Lobby an essential retailer? Some forced to close because of COVID-19 shelter-in-place orders

This guy just doesn’t get it. Now he’s claiming he’s “essential “ because he got in a few masks and educational materials. Glad they are taking strong action against him.
I know a lot of my mom-friends we’re buying fabric from Hobby Lobby to make masks for medical personnel and first responders. I can’t even sew a button, so I didn’t join it.. but it’s nice that people were able to do that.

That said, DeWine has publicly criticized Hobby Lobby for remaining open.
 

JohnD

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I know a lot of my mom-friends we’re buying fabric from Hobby Lobby to make masks for medical personnel and first responders. I can’t even sew a button, so I didn’t join it.. but it’s nice that people were able to do that.

That said, DeWine has publicly criticized Hobby Lobby for remaining open.
My answer is "yes". People are stuck at home. When else are they going to get around to doing various projects around the house. Hobby Lobby has what they need.
 

jmp85

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We keep hearing hopes the virus will abate when temps increase in summer. The fact that cover-19 is still on the rise in FL with 90 degree temps seems to negate the summer decrease hypothesis. I hope to god I am looking at this wrong .
From what I've gathered, they don't believe it will stop it altogether, but rather it would slow the rate of "community spread." However, there are other experts who believe the impact will be negligible. Another instance where we just don't have the data to confirm one way or the other. Living in Florida, I hope it slows the spread though!
 

orlandogal22

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Unfortunately not a CC.

August?

Other than the "cool front" at the moment its been mid to high 90s lately and next week it looks like it goes back to being offensively and unseasonably hot
I respectfully disagree it's been "high 90s lately"... (denoting 95-98 on the regular)

Indeed, it was a high of 93 Saturday here in Orlando, but we're looking at mid to high 80s over the next few weeks with maybe a low 90 thrown in here or there. Pretty much what we're used to in April nowadays. :)

It might FEEL like "high 90s" but it wasn't.... YET ;)

BTW, it's currently a pleasant 74 right now where I'm at in Seminole County.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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I recently watched a few documentaries on prior pandemics/disease outbreaks, and they were stunning on several fronts.

1. Hubris. Just as people thought the Titanic couldn't possibly sink, the documentaries all suggested we were past the age of pandemics. Several of them borderline mocked people for wearing masks during earlier pandemics.

2. A significant factor in spreading prior pandemics was people who resisted taking precautions: they falsely thought the virus couldn't travel to their area.

Sound familiar?

3. In 1918, a significant factor was the press. The US press was in the age of so-called yellow journalism. Yellow journalism emphasized eye-popping headlines over facts, and used politically motivated, profit driven hyperbole. Some believed the hyperbole, others stopped paying attention and dismissed all news. The two big players were Hearst and Pulitzer. (paraphrased definition from multiple sources)

Sound familiar?

I hope some good can come out of this event. I don't agree that every post in this thread was level-headed and reasonable. Personally, I skipped many days of the bickering, and only skimmed it other days. Ordinarily, I would have just rolled my eyes at this thread and ignored all the back and forth.
 

Polynesia

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I ho
From what I've gathered, they don't believe it will stop it altogether, but rather it would slow the rate of "community spread." However, there are other experts who believe the impact will be negligible. Another instance where we just don't have the data to confirm one way or the other. Living in Florida, I hope it slows the spread though!
i hope it slows it, too. Supposedly the droplets in the air don’t last as long creating less transmission.
 

21stamps

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Well, 10M out of work in the last 2 weeks - Car sales fell off a cliff in March - Boeing looking at 'voluntary buyouts' for 160,000 employees, 60% of all planes around the world are grounded, cruise ships grounded, stay at home orders everywhere, local businesses decimated.

I hope it was worth it Dr. Fauci - Remember, those same people who are now unemployed or find themselves with reduced work hours & reduced pay are the same people we need for a bounce back. Ugly!
To add a comment about cars.. There will be a shortage soon.
 

Jlasoon

Active Member
If more thought like you, we'd all be in worse shape beyond belief death count wise.
It's easy to hide behind - 'We'd be in worst shape'.

I've worked financial markets for decades. What's unfolding in this country & around the world makes me want to cry. The current devastation & shock to our financial system is immeasurable & beyond extreme. Equity markets are always hit first, unemployment comes second (happening as we speak), liquidity will start drying up as more & more people including business can't meet obligations, & housing will follow. This ain't a joke - and it's definitely not a car - you don't just hit the 'start' button and 'voila', economic growth! This is a self-induced government mandated depression. We're looking at 20% unemployment - companies that I love such as Disney are in for a world of hurt - they're already bleeding too much cash. Small business bankruptcy rates have already hit double digits in Central Florida. Local .gov has no idea what to do. They're all scared.

And you know what won't be reported by the media when this is all said and done? The death count from 10 years of economic 'malaise'.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
True, but we're a long way from that perfect workplace environment - across every industry and in every part of the world.

In the meantime, I would shy away from branding innocent people stuck in that "system" as being "selfish." ;)
I generally would agree with you...but the scenario laid out is somebody’s boss did this LAST WEEK because they had “too much to do”

Sorry...that is selfish In the context of this environment. Applied to this example.

Even if she had the flu...spreading that to another could weaken a person and provide a synergistic effect to someone if they were then to get corona on their own.

It ain’t right.
 

hopemax

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Well, 10M out of work in the last 2 weeks - Car sales fell off a cliff in March - Boeing looking at 'voluntary buyouts' for 160,000 employees, 60% of all planes around the world are grounded, cruise ships grounded, stay at home orders everywhere, local businesses decimated.

I hope it was worth it Dr. Fauci - Remember, those same people who are now unemployed or find themselves with reduced work hours & reduced pay are the same people we need for a bounce back. Ugly!
Boeing, the Airlines and the Cruise ships were going to get hit whether Americans stayed home or not. Too much of their business is global. Not at Dr Fauci’s feet. We know how damaging the cascade was from the collapse of a couple financial companies, let’s not pretend this would have had an alternative economic outcome. That’s why I liken this to a house on fire. The house is already a loss. We are only deciding whether we try to save some of the people trapped inside or not.
 

George

Liker of Things
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Accuracy is controlled by how it is used, on a wet or reflective surface it is not accurate and the people doing the scan have to use it properly. On another note I am getting ads for infrared security cameras to be used for mass temperature screening.
Now I'm picturing virus robots swooping down from the ceiling and pulling the sick out of crowd to be placed in quarantine containers (one cargo container tiny homes) for 2 weeks.

I’m not disputing that instinct at all...which is why I am blaming a “system” that punishes people valuing their paycheck/job status over their health and those around them - which is healthy production of the employer as well.
There also a cultural thing where people are patted on the back for powering through sickness. Peer pressure is really effective. If coming into work sick is frowned upon by most after this it will have a big impact.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Well put.

2. American “exceptionalism” has been weaponized. My entire life I have watch dismissal of societies that taught us much of what the principles we value as “our own”...and we dismiss those countries we are inevitably tied too.

Ok...back to park ops 😉
A stunning tidbit I learned ages ago: many of the little pearls of wisdom that supposedly from Poor Richard's Almanac, attributed to Ben Franklin, actually LONG predate him.

Most were old sayings that were straight out of Latin lessons of the day. Learners of Latin had to translate the sayings in their lessons.

Some these sayings live on in our culture today:

No pain; no gain.

Trouble springs from idleness and grievous toil form needless ease.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
 

RobWDW1971

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Boeing, the Airlines and the Cruise ships were going to get hit whether Americans stayed home or not. Too much of their business is global. Not at Dr Fauci’s feet. We know how damaging the cascade was from the collapse of a couple financial companies, let’s not pretend this would have had an alternative economic outcome. That’s why I liken this to a house on fire. The house is already a loss. We are only deciding whether we try to save some of the people trapped inside or not.
There is an enormous difference between "take a hit" and voluntarily shut down the economy. I've now picked up nearly a dozen consulting clients for the sole purpose, unfortunately, of permanently cutting their cost infrastructures. These companies are not looking for plans on how to reopen in a few weeks, but how to permanently adjust their cash flow and opex infrastructures for the long-haul. They want to roll-up the costs of this crisis into a one-time write-down and come out with a new structure, almost like a Chapter 11 without the court process.

Even when the economy begins to recover, the jobs will be fewer, pay will be lower, and opportunities will be significantly less. I actually feel bad for the next "lost generation" of kids coming out of college.
 
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