Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[LittleBuford]

I agree. But I can see your concern. A church could read the EO to mean the entire congregation could return. I can personally tell you my church doesn't see it that way. Everyone stays home with the exception of those in front and behind the camera doing the streaming.

The precise wording is as follows:

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For purposes of this Order and the conduct it limits, “essential activities” means and encompasses the following:​

1. Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship; and
2. Participating in recreational activities (consistent with social distancing guidelines) such as walking, biking, hiking, fishing, hunting, running, or swimming; and
3. Taking care of pets; and
4. Caring for or otherwise assisting a loved one or friend.

I don’t see how one can interpret Item 1 other than as permission for religious gatherings to continue in person. A terrible, terrible mistake.

 

[Lilofan]

This is probably a goofy question. But these ships are full of passengers for much longer than planned. How do the keep feeding everyone? I realize all the Disney ships are empty of passengers. That’s not the case unfortunately for other cruise lines.

There was a ship that had infected passengers. Guests were in their cabins 23_hours a day and delivered minimal food to the cabin door. 1 hour of going outside , practicing social distancing.

 

[Communicora]

The precise wording is as follows:

​

For purposes of this Order and the conduct it limits, “essential activities” means and encompasses the following:​

1. Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship; and
2. Participating in recreational activities (consistent with social distancing guidelines) such as walking, biking, hiking, fishing, hunting, running, or swimming; and
3. Taking care of pets; and
4. Caring for or otherwise assisting a loved one or friend.

I don’t see how one can interpret Item 1 other than as permission for religious gatherings to continue in person. A terrible, terrible mistake.

Are there already limits on the number of people that can gather?

 

[John park hopper]

It's definitely a scary time for any patients out there(and their families), and it can be difficult to get answers when things are changing so fast. But in my experience anyway, I've learned to trust the judgement of the doctors, nurses, and specialists who really are doing what's best for me. As I mentioned before, my cancer markers went from 4000+ down to 20 just from my first 3 infusions. Feel free to PM me about any of this if youdon't care to discuss it on an open forum.

My son is an oncology pharmacist at a hospital he has seen some amazing results don't be discouraged. It can be beat as you are in the process of seeing. God bless and a speedy recovery

 

[LittleBuford]

Are there already limits on the number of people that can gather?

It gets worse, as I realised when searching the document for an answer to your question:

“This order does not limit the number of persons who may be physically present at any religious service. Persons attending religious services are urged, but are not required, to practice social distancing, such as keeping six feet between persons and limiting group size to less than ten people.”

Encouraging such recklessness is the very opposite of what any divine power would want of us. I’m flabbergasted.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Then you have this article. https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...isk-of-coronavirus-infection-expert-says.aspx
This article makes sense to me. But I am sure I can read another article that says differently.

I do not remember, how did Disney treat H1N1 when it broke out? Or no comparison to Covid-19

Face masks. <sigh>

There are two basic types: the ones with filters which keep viruses from getting to you (N95) and the cloth/paper ones which keep you from aerosolizing a virus (or anything else you may have) onto others.

The second type (cloth/paper) will not protect you from COVID19. It will not. If you already have COVID19, then these masks will help to keep you from spreading it to others.

So, everyone should get the N95 type to protect themselves, right? Yes. If there were enough of them. Which there aren't.

That's why they need to be reserved for healthcare workers. We all want the healthcare workers to be healthy in case we or a loved one gets sick, right? Given their shortage, no one should be using the N95s unless they have to provide essential services to someone who is infected. Not to go to the store.​

Since the cloth/paper kind can prevent the spread of the disease since we *might* have it and not know it (thanks to a long incubation and mild to no symptoms), then we should all be wearing masks, right? Yes. If there were enough of them. Which there aren't.

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That's why, again, we need to reserve the cloth/paper masks to healthcare workers.​

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However, since people can make their own cloth/paper mask, then they should use that, right? Yes. Only if used properly. If you're constantly adjusting the mask, then you may be contaminating your hands and then whatever your hands touch. You should be cleaning the mask properly and putting them where they can't contaminate them until they're washed. You shouldn't let your mask become a soggy, drippy mess. So, yes, if you can make your own, or if supplies become abundant, wear a mask all the time if you know how to wear it properly.​

 

[JohnD]

The precise wording is as follows:

​

For purposes of this Order and the conduct it limits, “essential activities” means and encompasses the following:​

1. Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship; and
2. Participating in recreational activities (consistent with social distancing guidelines) such as walking, biking, hiking, fishing, hunting, running, or swimming; and
3. Taking care of pets; and
4. Caring for or otherwise assisting a loved one or friend.

I don’t see how one can interpret Item 1 other than as permission for religious gatherings to continue in person. A terrible, terrible mistake.

I was actually looking at section C:

C. A social gathering in a public space is not an essential activity. Local jurisdictions shall ensure that groups of people greater than ten are not permitted to congregate in any public space.

I know, houses of worship aren't "public spaces." All I can say is that many houses of worship are already streaming and should continue to do so. What they actually do is a different matter. Mine will continue streaming.

 

[DCBaker]

It gets worse, as I realised when searching the document for an answer to your question:

“This order does not limit the number of persons who may be physically present at any religious service. Persons attending religious services are urged, but are not required, to practice social distancing, such as keeping six feet between persons and limiting group size to less than ten people.”

Encouraging such recklessness is the very opposite of any divine power would want of us. I’m flabbergasted.

Especially because that text was under the order for Miami-Dade Local State of Emergency, which is one of the largest hotspots in the state!

 

[21stamps]

I agree. But I can see your concern. A church could read the EO to mean the entire congregation could return. I can personally tell you my church doesn't see it that way. Everyone stays home with the exception of those in front and behind the camera doing the streaming.

I wonder if it was worded that way so funerals, baptisms, and weddings could still take place if needed/wanted.

I’d imagine that most individual churches, diocese, synagogues, mosques, etc, would have already came up with their own safe practices by now.

 

[John park hopper]

Face masks. <sigh>

There are two basic types: the ones with filters which keep viruses from getting to you (N95) and the cloth/paper ones which keep you from aerosolizing a virus (or anything else you may have) onto others.

The second type (cloth/paper) will not protect you from COVID19. It will not. If you already have COVID19, then these masks will help to keep you from spreading it to others.

So, everyone should get the N95 type to protect themselves, right? Yes. If there were enough of them. Which there aren't.

That's why they need to be reserved for healthcare workers. We all want the healthcare workers to be healthy in case we or a loved one gets sick, right? Given their shortage, no one should be using the N95s unless they have to provide essential services to someone who is infected. Not to go to the store.​

Since the cloth/paper kind can prevent the spread of the disease since we *might* have it and not know it (thanks to a long incubation and mild to no symptoms), then we should all be wearing masks, right? Yes. If there were enough of them. Which there aren't.

​

That's why, again, we need to reserve the cloth/paper masks to healthcare workers.​

​

However, since people can make their own cloth/paper mask, then they should use that, right? Yes. Only if used properly. If you're constantly adjusting the mask, then you may be contaminating your hands and then whatever your hands touch. You should be cleaning the mask properly and putting them where they can't contaminate them until they're washed. You shouldn't let your mask become a soggy, drippy mess. So, yes, if you can make your own, or if supplies become abundant, wear a mask all the time if you know how to wear it properly.​

My wife as an ICU nurse has used the N95 mask and said it must fit correctly to be effective and it is very difficult to breath through. Wearing it for long periods of time are exhausting. Use a cloth mask leave the N-95's for the professional care giver they need them more than you or I going to the store or pump gas

 

[21stamps]

Especially because that text was under the order for Miami-Dade Local State of Emergency, which is one of the largest hotspots in the state!

Catholic Churches in Miami have already changed their services well before this order. I can’t speak for any other others though.

 

[John park hopper]

Large sign outside our local church---"PRAY AT HOME"

 

[LittleBuford]

I was actually looking at section C:

C. A social gathering in a public space is not an essential activity. Local jurisdictions shall ensure that groups of people greater than ten are not permitted to congregate in any public space.

I know, houses of worship aren't "public spaces." All I can say is that many houses of worship are already streaming and should continue to do so. What they actually do is a different matter. Mine will continue streaming.

Please see my subsequent post. I’m glad your church is being responsible, but the order places no limits at all on religious gatherings.

 

[DCBaker]

The University of California will suspend admission requirements, including SAT scores and mimimum grades, for fall 2020 and 2021 due to coronavirus.

UC to ease admission requirements: No SAT, no letter grades due to coronavirus

The coronavirus crisis prompts the University of California and California State University to temporarily suspend some admission requirements.

t.co

 

[celluloid]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints announced in Feburary that all services would be suspended and encouraged online resources to use for home scripture materials. Also, the general conference will be streamed with no live audience this weekend(it is always streamed but usually with a gathering at the conference center) or Mormon Tabernacle choir. It will be presented in the smaller auditorium of Temple Square in Salt Lake City with only speakers and crew being in the same building and being cautious.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Correction -
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has now issued a stay-at-home order for the entire state of Florida. The order goes into effect tonight at midnight and will last for at least 30 days through May 2.

Only essential services will be allowed to operate. A list of services will be released, and some businesses can be added to the list if they are deemed essential. Walt Disney World Resort and the rest of Orlando’s theme parks have been deemed non-essential since the initial stay-at-home orders issued by Orange and Osceola Counties.

All Disney Parks remain closed indefinitely, with the only earliest travel dates to book a reservation at Walt Disney World Resort currently starting at June 1 and later.

 

[Andrew C]

I imagine there are outliers but it seems most churches are attempting to be responsible.

I think this essential service exception is the least of Florida’s worries right now.

 

[LittleBuford]

I saw this a few weeks ago and was reminded of it by the current discussion:

Islamic call to prayer changes in Kuwait amid coronavirus fears â video

Measures to counter the spread of the coronavirus have affected Muslims around the world including the partial closure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca and the ban on pilgrimages

www.theguardian.com

Anyone who knows the Muslim call to prayer will understand how big a shift this is. Unfortunately, not everywhere is following Kuwait's lead.

 

[JohnD]

I wonder if it was worded that way so funerals, baptisms, and weddings could still take place if needed/wanted.

I’d imagine that most individual churches, diocese, synagogues, mosques, etc, would have already came up with their own safe practices by now.

There was an earlier story about a church that conducted a funeral. Next thing you know, the whole community had COVID 19. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole again. I'll agree this is a definite loop hole in the EO.

 

[celluloid]

I saw this on a site from a reliable source -
"Expected reopening at this point would be April 10 at the earliest (if not at 11:00 PM on April 9.) An internal email sent out to Florida-based Cast Members Tuesday"

Doubtful. Because the Governer just a few hours ago put a ban on ANY unecessary travel for at least the next 30 days. That would have to be lifted first.