Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Months rather than weeks....


There is a difference between active social distancing and long term shelter in place orders. I am extremely worried about the long term effects of doing something like this. It seems these orders have been sold as short term solutions to get ahead of the virus, bend the curve, so we can up testing and get the necessary resources in place. But if these orders need to be in place for months (I realize this is just one order in VA that could be shortened), rather than weeks, it probably isn't providing the benefit we thought it would...

It’s 5 weeks or a little over a month longer. I agree people won’t support this for the long term, we just have a different definition of long term.

 

[marni1971]

I think you overestimating what people will put up with....on the long term...

If there’s rioting it shows what’s wrong with that particular society, not the order.

Unless those rioting don’t trust the authorities who implemented the order.

 

[GoofGoof]

If the National Guard start rolling in with their men, women and military hardware especially in VA and MD with new stay at home orders thru June 10, that will send a direct message.

I don’t even think it needs to get to that. Citizens will police themselves. If the number of people who elect to break these orders goes up their own neighbors and friends will rat them out.

 

[Andrew C]

It’s 5 weeks or a little over a month longer. I agree people won’t support this for the long term, we just have a different definition of long term.

What is 5 weeks? Between now and June 10th is like 11 weeks...

 

[marni1971]

What is 5 weeks? Between now and June 10th is like 11 weeks...

Which is the time frame most of Europe is potentially facing up to.

 

[cjrciadtster]

Yes you can. The world existed before theaters and it will exist if they close down for a year.

Given the most likely mortality rate of it right now is 1 in 100... Would you be okay with having everyone in your family reach into a bag of 100 marbles where they are all white except 1 black one and if they get the black marble they get executed on the spot? Because that is really what you are doing with this virus. You cannot assume that only the oldest or sickest will die. So how much do you care about your family?

1 out of 73 in Orange County.

 

[GoofGoof]

What is 5 weeks? Between now and June 10th is like 11 weeks...

We are already all in for 4/30

 

[Lilofan]

Yes. I think you missed the point.

No, you mentioned civil unrest and riots, enter the National Guard to restore law and order.

 

[21stamps]

If there’s rioting it shows what’s wrong with that particular society, not the order.

Unless those rioting don’t trust the authorities who implemented the order.

When that particular society can no longer support their families, have no health insurance, are watching their businesses crumble, then what would you expect?

 

[hopemax]

I've seen no proof whatsoever that this government is willing to do what it takes to support people throughout this event. A one time check and improved unemployment insurance is weak sauce.

It is. However, I think we also fail to underestimate what a rising death toll (and unemployment rates) will have on the will of politicians as well. Like a toddler, I expected and continue to expect some temper tantrums. I just don't think they will be able to keep it up. But any elaboration would need to be discussed elsewhere.

 

[VaderTron]

Yes you can. The world existed before theaters and it will exist if they close down for a year.

In fact, if theaters closed for several years, even a decade, then future entrepreneurs could open a few "vintage movie theaters" and make a killing showing movies on "the big screen" which will gain audiences of older ones, who are nostalgic about a lost art form, and children, for whom this will be a brand new, exciting experience that has never existed in their lifetime.

 

[marni1971]

When that particular society can no longer support their families, have no health insurance, are watching their businesses crumble, then what would you expect?

Taking the government to task over their support. Not the law into their own hands.

 

[marni1971]

The only thing that could lead to real civil unrest is if the food and supplies ran out which is so far not even a remote possibility. If people are without electricity, water and food then panic would set in. We aren’t anywhere close to being there.

Some in this thread need to be reminded of that it seems.

 

[GoofGoof]

When that particular society can no longer support their families, have no health insurance, are watching their businesses crumble, then what would you expect?

All that will happen in the 5 weeks between 4/30 and 6/10? Seems unlikely.

 

[George]

What you are describing is exactly what I'm talking about. Most people's definition of "care about x" is the equivalent of my wife caring about her potted plant. She cares about it enough to take care of it, water it, make sure it has sun. But if there's a trip to WDW coming up and she can't find anyone to water her plant, she will just let it fend for itself. Even if that means it could die.

When I say people don't really care about anyone outside of their circle of friends and family, my point is they don't care about others more than they do a potted plant. They care about people as long as it fills their own need to feel personal pride that "I care about people". That is, until it interferes with their inner circle's rights/priorities/goals. At that point everyone is left in the lurch to fend for themselves.

That is sad.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have personally saved the planet 15 times at great personal risk.

 

[marni1971]

I am sorry, I just don't believe that to be the case...

Let’s hope this doesn’t last long enough to find out.

 

[GoofGoof]

I am sorry, I just don't believe that to be the case...

Fair enough and we can agree to disagree. Let me ask you this, on March 1st if I told you your governor would have you locked down for at least 6 weeks and all non-essential businesses would be closed would you have had the same reaction? Predicting civil unrest? I think a lot of us thought we would never see the day this was necessary, but people realize the seriousness of the situation and adapt. Not saying we like it but these are unprecedented times.

 

[GoofGoof]

Do you know what kind of losses a business faces when being shut down for 5 more weeks on top of the original order?

It’s not a small amount.

Do you know how much worse a double dip recession would be if we come out of this too early and then there is a relapse? Far more damage to the economy long term than waiting a few more weeks.

The other factor is you need customers to make money. If they open businesses while the death count is still rising how many people will want to take a cruise or book a flight or even go to a mall?

 

[5thGenTexan]

And there are 70,000 plus cast members who also NEED resources to live. Interesting how that point is being glossed over. Your decision to do what’s right for you is your decision. There are people who will still go to the parks because that’s their decision. Your decision isn’t better than theirs. Everyone will do what’s in their best interests.

A decision to exercise caution in the wake of a virus causing a worldwide pandemic is better than a decision to through caution to the wind and hope its ok. People will not do what's in their best interest, they will do what provides them with immediate gratification. Stories of people going on about their daily lives when being told to stay at home proves that.

 

[celluloid]

Nothing funny about it. If the National Guard come in to restore law and order if needed, there will be a place at their choosing where to hold the criminals who choose to defy. I will choose to obey.

Yes, we know what martial law is, but the irony of people in civil disobediance getting into close contact, and being arrested would be more at risk than what was brought up with people visiting others. Small businesses and other places remaining open is a little different. This is not yet The Stand.

ABC liquor stores are still open in Florida. Worry when the liquor stores have to close and not considered essential.

Be kind and responsible everyone, but I am not going to contribute to panic.