MrPromey
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Try half of that with one or more children under the age of 10 and get back to me, especially if you're the only parent.
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Try half of that with one or more children under the age of 10 and get back to me, especially if you're the only parent.
21stamps
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Try half of that with one or more children under the age of 10 and get back to me, especially if you're the only parent.
I’m really lucky that my kid was 9 (almost 10) during my sickness, and that this was prior to sports being cancelled and school being closed- that literally happened the first day I got out of bed. I ordered delivery every day, so he had decent dinners, and he was able to take care of himself the rest of the time..but had sports practice everyday so wasn’t there all evening, had 5 sports games each weekend, so was gone a lot on those days too. He really impressed me with the responsibility, to be honest. Had he been younger though, it would have been impossible.
lazyboy97o
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You are right that there are lots of variables, but just the base numbers start to show how it is a far larger group who would have to be isolated than just a small minority.
Florida Hospital obviously thinks it is a likely outcome as they have set up tents at their facilities around Central Florida.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
The order in my county is for 10 days...if it was for months, it would a different story for many of us.
GoofGoof
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There are going to be high risk people everywhere. I was just pointing out the obvious flaw of over simplifying this and just saying that we could have isolated the high risk people by having them quarantine and then the rest of us could have continued life as normal and the economy would be saved. Many people whether high risk or not would choose to self quarantine anyway to avoid the virus. There would be a major economic downturn either way. It’s a false narrative that we were somehow choosing between saving some old people who were going to die soon and saving the economy. A large portion of the economic damage would have been done no matter what governments did.
Disney4family
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So how naive is it to wonder why these markets aren't shut down? If these markets are the breeding ground for these horrible viruses, why can't anyone say - don't have them. How often do we have to go through this?From what I've read, it is believed to have come from a "wet" market where exactly what you're describing is thought to have happened:
There are plenty of links to articles about this but here's one from NPR (I chose semi-randomly):
Why They're Called 'Wet Markets' — And What Health Risks They Might Pose
A wet market is a complex of stalls selling fish, meat and wild animals. One such market in Wuhan has been linked to the current outbreak of coronavirus.www.npr.org
From some of the pictures of the conditions you can find of these places, it's a wonder there isn't a new pandemic coming out of one of them at least weekly.
disgusting markets + exotic animals with health risks = horrible virus
"As coronavirus cases continue to skyrocket in Detroit and surrounding areas, the state is asking hospitals outside of southeast Michigan to offer 10 percent of their hospital beds for Detroit-area hospitals that are overflowing with patients."
“Many of our hospitals particularly in southeast Michigan are at or near capacity. Intensive care units are full and emergency departments are overloaded,” chief medical executive Dr. Joneigh Khaldun said during a news conference Thursday morning. “The only way we’re going to be able to effectively handle this outbreak is by coming together and coordinating our health care resources as a state.”
As Detroit ICUs fill, officials ask outstate hospitals to share the load | Bridge Michigan
Hospitals outside of southeast Michigan are being asked for 10 percent of their beds for coronavirus patients as the state looks for “alternative sites” for field hospitals.
DisneyCane
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Which underscores my point about the fact that these orders aren't constitutional. Nothing can stop me from filing a suit for an injunction. They can't arrest me for that (yet).
Currently 406 COVID-19 patients have been hospitalized in the State. There are 303 hospitals with 67,081 beds. Preparing for the possibility is fine but it doesn't seem imminent.
There's a better chance that I can get on the coronavirus task force than there is that they lift the order in 10 days!
21stamps
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I agree. Unfortunately, I think it’s naive to believe these orders will be lifted by April 3rd. Trust me, I want to believe that they will be, I am praying they will.. but with every daily update I watch, I grow less and less confident that it will happen.
GoofGoof
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After this it could happen. China comes out of this looking pretty bad. Not to mention the damage to their economy. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major curbing of these types of places. It’s an authoritarian government so that type of change can literally happen overnight.
MrPromey
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And that all makes perfect sense (and that's cool he stepped up!) but DisneyCane seems to be assuming that's how everyone in Italy was handling it with children, elderly that may not be able to bathe by themselves (of course, he seems to think the old and already sick** should all crawl into closets and die, so that he can go to the beach* so I don't expect any sympathy from him there), etc.
*not being able to go to the beach right now is actually one of the concerns he voiced. That makes me visualize this guy when I read his posts and also makes me wonder how he copes with red tides... and is why I can't take him seriously when he tries to compare living in such apparent "misery" to living in North Korea.
**Edit to clarify, I mean sick in general - not with the corona virus.
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21stamps
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I understand the concerns about government intervention though, lives are being destroyed as we speak..millions of them. Not from coronavirus, but from government imposed shut downs. Yes, we are doing this for the greater good, so people live and our hospitals aren’t overwhelmed... but that doesn’t change the unfortunate fact that we have tanked on our economy, one that was going quite strong.. None of us can know the correct answers, even those who continually parrot the WHO and pretend to be sudden medical and disease experts. As I said earlier, this is unchartered waters.. we can look at other countries and make an educated guess, but the only thing we know for sure is that we don’t have the proper data to know what is happening and what will happen. The lack of data is creating fear, disdain, and so many questions. I admit that I am more frightened than I have ever been in my lifetime, I don’t know what the other side looks like, not for the company I work for, not for me, not for my child, not for millions of Americans, adults and this country’s youth.
Leave the economy aside for a second. Think about all of the kids in grades 1-12. What’s happening to their education, their grades- will they be artificially inflated, pass when shouldn’t? What about 7th and 8th graders who are trying to get scholarships to high school, or on a high school sports team? What about high school kids who are trying to get scholarships?
There are so, so, many factors to all of these shut downs. Some people are having a harder time justifying it, others are saying “close for as long as need be”... I think a lot of us are questioning extended shut downs.
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hopemax
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I would recommend you start tracking New Orleans.
"Orleans, Jefferson, St. Bernard, and Plaquemines parishes, which account for the majority of COVID-19 cases in the state, had only 1,375 beds still available Wednesday. "
"In total, Louisiana has 2,749 ventilators, including 650 in the New Orleans region. Edwards said the state distributed 100 ventilators to that region Wednesday and more could be arriving in the coming days and week.
"If our growth continues, we could potentially run out of vents in the New Orleans area in the first week of April," Edwards warned."
Louisiana races to increase hospital beds, ventilators for COVID-19
As of Wednesday, Louisiana has a total bed capacity of 22,142, but less than 10,000 of those beds were available to new patients.
www.wwltv.com
In another article, the CEO of a hospital group said that 80% of their ICU patients were on vents, they normally run 30-40%.
Even with coronavirus disaster declaration, Louisiana's ventilator capacity is 'far from OK'
Louisiana is staring at an alarming shortage in ventilators that keep coronavirus patients alive when they make it to the ICU, and Gov. John Bel Edwards said Wednesday he foresees
Lousiana's current stats
"There were 676 coronavirus patients in hospital beds on Thursday and 239 of them needed to be on ventilators. The number of hospitalized patients surged by nearly 38% in a day — an increase of 185 patients — and the number of people on ventilators increased by 76, a roughly 46% jump over Wednesday's numbers. "
Louisiana coronavirus cases increase to 2,305; Orleans, Jefferson cases account for 63%
The number of known coronavirus cases in Louisiana increased to 2,305 on Thursday, up 510 cases from Wednesday and now on a pace to double every three days as cases
UNCgolf
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Speaking as an attorney, that would be a waste of your money. While it's of course impossible to say anything for sure when it comes to the law and court decisions, a state's authority to use police power and institute these kinds of lockdowns is pretty well established in constitutional law.
If they started aggressively patrolling the streets and arresting anyone they found outside, that's far more questionable. But the current stay-at-home orders are closer to guidelines than an actual police controlled lockdown of all citizens.
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UNCgolf
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I don't think he'd have trouble finding a lawyer willing to take the case and the money offered, but he'd have a tremendously hard time actually winning any such case.
UNCgolf
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I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe they did shut the markets down following SARS and then eventually allowed them to re-open. Hopefully they will close them for good now.
VJ
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thank you for your service
DisneyDebRob
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I posted it sooooo many pages ago. But with some of the info here, should be posted every page.
GoofGoof
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In a macro economic sense do you think the economy would not have been severely impacted by the virus alone no matter what the government did? Even if allowed to continue doing business, a lot of companies would have had people working from home. People would have been avoiding the mall and crowded places like bars and restaurants. The travel industry as a whole would be in the toilet. The economy wouldn’t have gone to virtually zero but it’s not like it would have been healthy in any way. I don’t really think it’s fair to say we chose to tank the economy. It’s more like we helped it hit rock bottom a little faster With these decisions.
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