Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Trauma]

No way...then what will the kids wear at school to pretend we are helping?

We are headed towards worldwide economic collapse and the inevitable wars that will follow, but at least little Bobby had his mask on.

 

[DCBaker]

Latest dashboard update from the Florida Hospital Association -

 

[G00fyDad]

I can say this is where I am at as well. If I willingly walk into your business and you request/require a mask, I'll absolutely wear it. If optional, then I most likely won't.

And you also have these special little creatures that do this.

I will (and have) gladly take my business elsewhere. I may not wear a mask inside if they do not require it (depends on the size of the place and the amount of people inside) but to be an outright smart*** about it like this is too much.

 

[Trauma]

This is entirely dependent on the business and not nearly as clear cut.

For a small business that has limited staff, a mask policy may prevent employees from getting sick while at work. This in turn allows them to keep working.

Conversely, a no mask policy will expose the employees to more virus. This will increase the chance that someone get's sick. Let's assume they have a vaccine mandate so the person is only out for a week. Do they have enough extra staff to cover the missing worker for a week? Let's say they don't have a vaccine mandate and have some unvaccinated employees they're exposing to more virus. Those employees will almost definitely get sick and be out for more than a week. Do they have enough extra staff to cover for that longer time?

If it's a big business, they may have more than enough staff to cover the difference. In that case chasing the extra "no mask" customers may be worth it. Since, as you mentioned, most people aren't avoiding stores that don't require masks.

But, in that small business, if they don't have the staff capacity, the sick employees missing work may cause greater business loss than mask adverse customers avoiding them.

I have not had a single employee miss more than 5 days from omicron. Employees missing work is a non issue in comparison to losing 10-15% of your customers.

 

[mmascari]

I have not had a single employee miss more than 5 days from omicron. Employees missing work is a non issue in comparison to losing 10-15% of your customers.

Good for you. Sounds like they were all vaccinated.

The same may not be true for every small business. How many stories have we read about places that were closed because there wasn't enough staff?

 

[correcaminos]

I have not had a single employee miss more than 5 days from omicron. Employees missing work is a non issue in comparison to losing 10-15% of your customers.

And we've had stores had to close because too many were out sick. Schools too. So missing work might be fine for your business, but it is not a non-issue for most. Give it some time and I'll be on your side. I hope the numbers yesterday weren't an indication my area is being like the UK at the moment and a data dump which is what it could look like.

 

[lazyboy97o]

How many stories have we read about places that were closed because there wasn't enough staff?

It’s amazing how over and over again for years now there is just outright denial that things that have happened can happen.

 

[Trauma]

Good for you. Sounds like they were all vaccinated.

The same may not be true for every small business. How many stories have we read about places that were closed because there wasn't enough staff?

You said the magic word vaccinated.

Everyone is fully vaccinated and boosted.

34 employees and not a single problem. I had a meeting with everyone when vaccines became available and informed them they would be getting vaccinated or I would find a way to terminate them.

2 people choose to leave and I simply hired 2 more people.

The fact that I have not had staffing issue has everything to do with vaccines and nothing to do with masks.

 

[Horizons '83]

And you also have these special little creatures that do this.

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I will (and have) gladly take my business elsewhere. I may not wear a mask inside if they do not require it (depends on the size of the place and the amount of people inside) but to be an outright smart*** about it like this is too much.

Yeah, I would really hope that is the minority of stores, that is a bit crazy. I think the majority of businesses at this point aren't on the extremes of both sides.

I would be interested if Disney makes any kind of change to their indoor mask policy once N95's are widely available and free to all. Would they go so far to require only N-95's? I am guessing no since nothing has changed since last year.

 

[Andrew C]

Good for you. Sounds like they were all vaccinated.

The same may not be true for every small business. How many stories have we read about places that were closed because there wasn't enough staff?

If the business is concerned, Sounds like they should require their employees to get vaccinated rather than screwing around with masks.

 

[Andrew C]

I would be interested if Disney makes any kind of change to their indoor mask policy once N95's are widely available and free to all. Would they go so far to require only N-95's? I am guessing no since nothing has changed since last year.

I’m betting no as well.

 

[DisneyCane]

It’s amazing how over and over again for years now there is just outright denial that things that have happened can happen.

There's a difference between a store closing due to lack of staff and the lack of staff having anything to do with customers (or other staff) not wearing masks in the store.

In the local, mom and pop, Italian Restaurant/Pizza Place that I frequent, no employees and fewer than 10% of the customers that walk in have worn a mask of any kind since the local mandate was ended. As far as I know, not a single employee has been sick with COVID (I know the owner and most employees).

I'm guessing that if they were all regularly tested, several would have tested positive at some point, but none have had a symptomatic case.

 

[Andrew C]

There's a difference between a store closing due to lack of staff and the lack of staff having anything to do with customers (or other staff) not wearing masks in the store.

It’s still hard to find people to work in certain industries as well. And some business just not being able to staff up properly because they are still struggling with costs in a pandemic world. Outbreaks as well I’m sure, with or without a mask mandate.

 

[correcaminos]

Yeah, I would really hope that is the minority of stores, that is a bit crazy. I think the majority of businesses at this point aren't on the extremes of both sides.

I would be interested if Disney makes any kind of change to their indoor mask policy once N95's are widely available and free to all. Would they go so far to require only N-95's? I am guessing no since nothing has changed since last year.

I wouldn't say N95s are widely available. We are only getting 3 per person. That's not a huge supply. Also again, there is no such thing as a N95 for children or those who have child sized faces. I mean no option period. The KN95s are in super short supply and many are not legit. So kind of like vaccines, you cannot mandate for all if you cannot provide for all.

 

[Lilofan]

And you also have these special little creatures that do this.

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I will (and have) gladly take my business elsewhere. I may not wear a mask inside if they do not require it (depends on the size of the place and the amount of people inside) but to be an outright smart*** about it like this is too much.

That's truly sad and reckless. On the left picture, Zinger makes electric wheelchairs for customers including immunocompromised individuals . Those folks and the ones who they come in contact with need to be masked up.

 

[mmascari]

You said the magic word vaccinated.

Everyone is fully vaccinated and boosted.

34 employees and not a single problem. I had a meeting with everyone when vaccines became available and informed them they would be getting vaccinated or I would find a way to terminate them.

2 people choose to leave and I simply hired 2 more people.

The fact that I have not had staffing issue has everything to do with vaccines and nothing to do with masks.

That's great. Beyond the health of your employees being important, having a vaccine mandate was a good business decision for you.

For those not seeing the obvious, lots of sick time and staffing issues were completely avoided because of the vaccine mandate.

It just made good business sense independent of any other public health reasons.

 

[Horizons '83]

That's great. Beyond the health of your employees being important, having a vaccine mandate was a good business decision for you.

For those not seeing the obvious, lots of sick time and staffing issues were completely avoided because of the vaccine mandate.

It just made good business sense independent of any other public health reasons.

Unfortunately Omicron got the best of our on-site workers where I work. We had 50% of what we called essential on-site workers out at one point. We have a vaccine mandate and booster mandate and tested if anyone was exposed. Probably mitigated a much worse outcome but ultimately omicron won out.

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s amazing how over and over again for years now there is just outright denial that things that have happened can happen.

I have never been infected with COVID thus COVID can't actually be a problem.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Fortunately, it’s not up to you to determine whether masks should be gone in casinos, theme parks etc as you mentioned. That’s up to the individual restaurants, stores etc including the ones you mentioned. I agree if you don’t like the decision a business makes, you don’t have to go. Most are still following guidelines put out by the experts and IMO that’s a good thing. In fact I was at a store on Tuesday that had a sign that said no cloth masks allowed, only the ones that are now being pushed as the best ones to wear. Saw one couple turn around while complaining but the store had many people in it. It’s their choice to require it, it’s your choice to not give your business to them. That’s the way it should be at anytime, but especially during a pandemic.

And you also have these special little creatures that do this.

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I will (and have) gladly take my business elsewhere. I may not wear a mask inside if they do not require it (depends on the size of the place and the amount of people inside) but to be an outright smart*** about it like this is too much.

Taking an extreme position is bad for business, doesn’t matter what extreme you choose.

Personally I wouldn’t step foot in either of these stores, most people still wear cloth masks so whether people like their policy or not doesn’t matter, they are alienating a huge percentage of the population who don’t have an N95, etc. Unless they are offering free N95s at the door I’d guess more than 50% of their potential customers are now going elsewhere purely because they don’t have the mask that’s required for entry.

The second is just stupidity on display, I loathe masks, absolutely hate them, but I wouldn’t trust that store to be doing any of the other precautionary steps like vaccines or cleaning that keep us safe either.

 

[Flugell]

Today in the U.K. is National Holocaust Memorial Day. Just saying this to put the hatred and abuse being shown by mask haters and mask advocates and vaccination fans against anti vaccination believers in some sort of perspective.
Extreme attitudes, on either side, do nothing to help a situation- indeed they may cause harm by removing the opportunity for rational and reasonable discussion and understanding of others viewpoints.
I am not Jewish, but the atrocities suffered by them, amongst many other minorities, is too much to fully comprehend.
Let us hope that the world can work together to control, if not defeat the virus.