Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Just wondering, what happened specifically? The article doesn't go into any detail.

Unless a staff member or an anti masker posts something on social media, won't be known on examples but kudos to location for not tolerating anti mask customers abusive behavior to staff.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Cloth and paper masks ain't doing that....sorry.

And Those that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and running around mask free are not helping either.

 

[Andrew C]

And Those that are vaccinated and not vaccinated, and running around mask free or not helping either.

Well, the vaccinated have already helped (although it seems it is just not enough for some, and maybe never will be). I do however agree about the unvaccinated.

 

[danlb_2000]

Well, the vaccinated have already helped (although it seems it is just not enough for some, and maybe never will be). I do however agree about the unvaccinated.

You criticized other for not keeping up with the science on masks, but you aren't interested in keeping up with the science on the need for the vaccinated to wear masks.

 

[Andrew C]

You criticized other for not keeping up with the science on masks, but you aren't interested in keeping up with the science on the need for the vaccinated to wear masks.

Maybe we have a different definition of need? Or what the current goal is?

And I criticized some for not keeping up with the science of cloth masks and their effectiveness.

 

[Lilofan]

Maybe we have a different definition of need? Or what the current goal is?

And I criticized some for not keeping up with the science of cloth masks and their effectiveness.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky advised any mask is better than no mask in a WH briefing.

 

[drizgirl]

All I see is.....

So just....

and...

If you disagree with me then don't bother replying because I likely already have you....

Feel better?

Oh, and nobody was arguing against getting vaccinated.

 

[Andrew C]

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky advised any mask is better than no mask in a WH briefing.

That is a fun general and blanket statement. But in the real world context matters, like my previous example provided to you...but okay.

Also, how much better??

 

[G00fyDad]

Feel better?

Oh, and nobody was arguing against getting vaccinated.

Give me a second here and I will.....


Now I do.

 

[danlb_2000]

Maybe we have a different definition of need? Or what the current goal is?

And I criticized some for not keeping up with the science of cloth masks and their effectiveness.

Then I will criticize you for not keeping up with the science on vaccine efficacy against transmission. When vaccines first came out they did a good job of reducing the chance that a vaccinated person could spread the virus, but the vaccines haven't been as good at that with the newer variants, so we went back to the recommendation that even vaccinated people should wear masks to help reduce the spread.

 

[Lilofan]

That is a fun general and blanket statement. But in the real world context matters, like my previous example provided to you...but okay.

Also, how much better??

By the CDC director who is more qualified surely than me and you.

 

[Trauma]

Is that what you got out of it? Don’t think they will be going out of business. They have strong support from the local community.

Yes that’s what I got from it.

They may have strong support form the local community according to your biased pov.

Even a 10% loss in business can be devastating to the bottom line depending on the industry.

I doubt the mask crowd was avoiding the store because they didn’t require N95.

However most people like me will now look for just about anywhere else to shop.

It’s a poor business decision. I hope their radical policy’s don’t end up shutting them down. I don’t expect that to be the case since this will all be over soon, and they can hopefully afford the loss.

Of course none of what I said is true if you live in Australia or somewhere similar. I have no idea what’s going on over there anymore.

 

[DisneyCane]

This. All of this...makes me sooooooo tired. And frustrated.

I get that *you* are fine, but there are so many that can't truly defend themselves against this. And as long as we continue to let the virus ebb and flow (and to be clear, there will be other spikes), people like me will need to continue to be hyper cautious, wearing an N95 everywhere. Which is not only uncomfortable, but also socially ostracizing. I have also been subjected to "coaching" by freedom-loving anti-maskers, who love to call me a "sheep", or stupid, while spouting that Covid is a hoax. This has occurred both at work and out in public, and it's not fun. However my own personal health situation, which puts me squarely in the immuno-suppressed high-risk category, leaves me no choice.

So, yeah. I am disappointed that our society can't pull together and all work together to defeat this once and for all.

Unfortunately, all evidence says that there will be ebb and flow to this virus for many years to come, probably forever. The only question is the level of spread.

I don't know where you live but anybody who ostracizes or insults somebody for wearing an N95 (or any other mask) is an [word that I can't post]. I don't want to be forced to wear a mask anywhere but I've never said a word to somebody who does. I might chuckle internally when somebody puts on a cloth mask to get out of the car at the Costco gas station but I still don't insult them.

 

[Trauma]

Then I will criticize you for not keeping up with the science on vaccine efficacy against transmission. When vaccines first came out they did a good job of reducing the chance that a vaccinated person could spread the virus, but the vaccines haven't been as good at that with the newer variants, so we went back to the recommendation that even vaccinated people should wear masks to help reduce the spread.

They are not equal. Vaccination and mask wearing are not even in the same ballpark.

Considering most people are still wearing cloth masks around their chin this is even more true.

 

[DisneyCane]

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky advised any mask is better than no mask in a WH briefing.

Using a bungee cord around your lap instead of a seatbelt is better than not wearing any seatbelt but that doesn't mean it is providing any considerable level of safety in an accident.

Also, she can't say that only N95s work because then it will lead to even more conflicts on airplanes when people are forced to wear cloth masks including between sips and bites after the CDC director says they don't do anything.

 

[Andrew C]

Then I will criticize you for not keeping up with the science on vaccine efficacy against transmission. When vaccines first came out they did a good job of reducing the chance that a vaccinated person could spread the virus, but the vaccines haven't been as good at that with the newer variants, so we went back to the recommendation that even vaccinated people should wear masks to help reduce the spread.

Fair enough. But we would all need to wear N95 masks then if we are looking to have an impact. Or, maybe...just recommend that the unvaccinated and high risk individuals wear them?

 

[Andrew C]

By the CDC director who is more qualified surely than me and you.

She is. But its still a very general and blanket statement and doesn't dive into real world scenarios.

You think the benefits of mask mandates in schools outweigh the negative consequences of masking in school. I think the opposite due to what has been said about cloth and paper masks. It is a basic disagreement.

 

[Lilofan]

Using a bungee cord around your lap instead of a seatbelt is better than not wearing any seatbelt but that doesn't mean it is providing any considerable level of safety in an accident.

Also, she can't say that only N95s work because then it will lead to even more conflicts on airplanes when people are forced to wear cloth masks including between sips and bites after the CDC director says they don't do anything.

I was recently on a United flight where the captain on the loudspeaker voiced out we are all tired of masking, we don't make the rules but we are here to follow them and subject to penalties if not abiding by them. In the 737 I was in , the staff advised about 28 were on the plane, most in first class , the rest like me in coach sat where ever we wanted and stretched out. Towards the end of the flight after beverage and snack service, the UA staff member said no one ate or drank in coach in the 2 1/2 hour flight so he offered me me more cookies and snack food to last me a few weeks which I gladly accepted with me saying thank you wearing my N95 mask. There were also several incidents while waiting to clear TSA checkpoints that some masked passengers confronted unmasked passengers to put on their masks with some strong words exchanged.

 

[Andrew C]

Also, she can't say that only N95s work because then it will lead to even more conflicts on airplanes when people are forced to wear cloth masks including between sips and bites after the CDC director says they don't do anything.

I believe last year there were over 5000 incidents reported on planes (more or less) and over 3500 of those were related to masks.

I wear a mask on planes as required but it definitely leads to conflict.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yes that’s what I got from it.

They may have strong support form the local community according to your biased pov.

Even a 10% loss in business can be devastating to the bottom line depending on the industry.

I doubt the mask crowd was avoiding the store because they didn’t require N95.

However most people like me will now look for just about anywhere else to shop.

It’s a poor business decision. I hope their radical policy’s don’t end up shutting them down. I don’t expect that to be the case since this will all be over soon, and they can hopefully afford the loss.

Of course none of what I said is true if you live in Australia or somewhere similar. I have no idea what’s going on over there anymore.

Biased pov? Are you ok? Why the attack? I was only tell you what some businesses are doing and again, you do not have to go in any of them but to assume things like assuming THEY are making a poor business decision is amazing. Guess you know more about their operating procedures then they do. I’ll let them know you said it was a mistake.