Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

I believe last year there were over 5000 incidents reported on planes (more or less) and over 3500 of those were related to masks.

I wear a mask on planes as required but it definitely leads to conflict.

Of course it leads to more conflicts. That’s with anywhere people don’t want to follow the law. I mean if you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t fly. Don’t fly anyway and cause a conflict because of what your feelings are on mask wearing. People here today have said they won’t frequent businesses that require them. Airlines require them so drive if you don’t like it.( not you.. you meaning general)

 

[Polkadotdress]

I wear a mask on planes as required but it definitely leads to conflict.

Are you saying that you actually “push back” when asked to wear your mask properly on a plane?

 

[DisneyCane]

Of course it leads to more conflicts. That’s with anywhere people don’t want to follow the law. I mean if you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t fly. Don’t fly anyway and cause a conflict because of what your feelings are on mask wearing. People here today have said they won’t frequent businesses that require them. Airlines require them so drive if you don’t like it.( not you.. you meaning general)

Airlines are required to require them. If they ever drop the federal transportation mandate (which I do not expect until at least January 2025) and Delta drops the requirement but American keeps it, I will fly Delta.

I believe last year there were over 5000 incidents reported on planes (more or less) and over 3500 of those were related to masks.

I wear a mask on planes as required but it definitely leads to conflict.

As much as I hate it and that it makes the flight more uncomfortable, I wear it because I'm required to. I'm not going to get myself kicked off a flight and possibly arrested to make a point.

Now, I will eat my snacks as slowly as humanly possible to get a break and I have yet to have a cabin crew be so ridiculous as to actually enforce the "between sips and bites" part of the mandate. As long as you are actually in the process of eating something they have left everyone alone.

 

[danlb_2000]

They are not equal. Vaccination and mask wearing are not even in the same ballpark.

Considering most people are still wearing cloth masks around their chin this is even more true.

I think you completely missed the point of my post, I was in no way comparing masks and vaccines, I was just pointing out that early on we thought the vaccines would do a better job in preventing vaccinated from spreading the virus thus the assumption that they didn't need to wear masks, but as new variants came along and we realized that even the vaccinated could be spreaders, the recommendation for them to wear masks changed.

 

[Horizons '83]

Omicron associated with 91% reduction in risk of death compared to Delta, study finds

The study also showed Omicron causes fewer hospitalizations and shorter hospital stays.

www.axios.com

Interesting, although it confirms what many have said but good to see an actual study pre-print shared by the CDC.

 

[danlb_2000]

Fair enough. But we would all need to wear N95 masks then if we are looking to have an impact. Or, maybe...just recommend that the unvaccinated and high risk individuals wear them?

I haven't seen any science either way on that. Current masking guidance seems to be more focused on protecting the wearer from infection then preventing the infected from spreading.

 

[Andrew C]

Are you saying that you actually “push back” when asked to wear your mask properly on a plane?

I am saying I put a mask on while travelling through airports and on airplanes. No one needs to ask me. I am a rule follower for the most part. Not looking to cause stress to people who are just trying to do their jobs (ie. flight attendants).

But it seems lots of people do push back...and it causes conflict.

 

[Trauma]

Biased pov? Are you ok? Why the attack? I was only tell you what some businesses are doing and again, you do not have to go in any of them but to assume things like assuming THEY are making a poor business decision is amazing. Guess you know more about their operating procedures then they do. I’ll let them know you said it was a mistake.

I very likely do know more.

It’s clearly a bad business decision no one in their right mind would argue otherwise.

Im not attacking you, not sure where you get that idea from.

 

[Polkadotdress]

I am saying I put a mask on while travelling through airports and on airplanes. No one needs to ask me. I am a rule follower for the most part. Not looking to cause stress to people who are just trying to do their jobs (ie. flight attendants).

But it seems lots of people do push back...and it causes conflict.

Ah got it. I my misunderstand because it seemed as if you were inferring that the conflict it lead to centered around you.

Thank you for not being a conflict starter.

 

[Andrew C]

Current masking guidance seems to be more focused on protecting the wearer from infection

That is sort of my point. Protect yourself by wearing an N95 if you want that kind of protection. But me wearing a cloth mask isn't going to protect you any from omicron.

I guess the extreme is going to N95 mask mandates. Seems impractical and I would expect a ton of push back.

 

[Andrew C]

Thank you for not being a conflict starter.

hah. As I said, I am a rule follower typically. If you require them in airports, airplanes, doctor offices, I am not going to complain even if I disagree with the rule. And in my everyday life, masks are optional so I really don't have to deal with the choice of whether I want to visit a business who mandates masks or not given that no one mandates them here...

 

[Trauma]

That is sort of my point. Protect yourself by wearing an N95 if you want that kind of protection. But me wearing a cloth mask isn't going to protect you any from omicron.

I guess the extreme is going to N95 mask mandates. Seems impractical and I would expect a ton of push back.

This is the only thing that makes sense. We need across the board n95 mask mandates.

Follow the science right?

Remember regardless of anything else, it’s most important to slow the spread.

 

[Andrew C]

This is the only thing that makes sense. We need across the board n95 mask mandates.

Follow the science right?

Remember regardless of anything else it’s most important to slow the spread.

hahah...I think a good compromise is making them more available to those who would like to have access to them.

 

[correcaminos]

This is the only thing that makes sense. We need across the board n95 mask mandates.

Follow the science right?

Remember regardless of anything else, it’s most important to slow the spread.

No, n95s do not exist for kids or small adults. Science says a well fitted procedural mask is okay too. No one has ever said n95 only. People are twisting to fit agendas when they do - both ways.

 

[Trauma]

No, n95s do not exist for kids or small adults. Science says a well fitted procedural mask is okay too. No one has ever said n95 only. People are twisting to fit agendas when they do - both ways.

Ok still doesn’t change the fact that we need to outright ban on cloth masks.

Science does show that N95 is more effective than procedural, therefore we will have to come up with a measuring system for adults.

Those not classified as “small” must be in N95’s.

 

[correcaminos]

Ok still doesn’t change the fact that we need to outright ban on cloth masks.

Science does show that N95 is more effective than procedural, therefore we will have to come up with a measuring system for adults.

Those not classified as “small” must be in N95’s.

Science shows a well fitted n95 is better than a procedural. It does not say they are useless. Nor does it address that a majority are wearing ill fitted n95 masks. Outlawing a mask will lead to more issues. Let it alone and drop when numbers are safe.

The binary look on life is honestly getting absurd. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the agendas on both sides here.

 

[mmascari]

Ok still doesn’t change the fact that we need to outright ban on cloth masks.

Science does show that N95 is more effective than procedural

Some places have started to make the distinction and require something better than a cloth mask.

If you say the continuum is cloth<<procedural<<N95 the question is then where along the continuum does someone want to set the effectiveness point for the best risk/reward/cost return.

Add in people who talk about reusable N95 silicone respirators with filters and without valves if you really want. They fall somewhere on that line too.

 

[Andrew C]

Ok still doesn’t change the fact that we need to outright ban on cloth masks.

No way...then what will the kids wear at school to pretend we are helping?

 

[Horizons '83]

hah. As I said, I am a rule follower typically. If you require them in airports, airplanes, doctor offices, I am not going to complain even if I disagree with the rule. And in my everyday life, masks are optional so I really don't have to deal with the choice of whether I want to visit a business who mandates masks or not given that no one mandates them here...

Dipping my toe back into this thread.

I can say this is where I am at as well. If I willingly walk into your business and you request/require a mask, I'll absolutely wear it. If optional, then I most likely won't.

 

[mmascari]

Even a 10% loss in business can be devastating to the bottom line depending on the industry.

I doubt the mask crowd was avoiding the store because they didn’t require N95.

However most people like me will now look for just about anywhere else to shop.

It’s a poor business decision. I hope their radical policy’s don’t end up shutting them down. I don’t expect that to be the case since this will all be over soon, and they can hopefully afford the loss.

It’s clearly a bad business decision no one in their right mind would argue otherwise.

This is entirely dependent on the business and not nearly as clear cut.

For a small business that has limited staff, a mask policy may prevent employees from getting sick while at work. This in turn allows them to keep working.

Conversely, a no mask policy will expose the employees to more virus. This will increase the chance that someone get's sick. Let's assume they have a vaccine mandate so the person is only out for a week. Do they have enough extra staff to cover the missing worker for a week? Let's say they don't have a vaccine mandate and have some unvaccinated employees they're exposing to more virus. Those employees will almost definitely get sick and be out for more than a week. Do they have enough extra staff to cover for that longer time?

If it's a big business, they may have more than enough staff to cover the difference. In that case chasing the extra "no mask" customers may be worth it. Since, as you mentioned, most people aren't avoiding stores that don't require masks.

But, in that small business, if they don't have the staff capacity, the sick employees missing work may cause greater business loss than mask adverse customers avoiding them.