Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The last paragraph has “I’d imagine” and “Assuming that is the case”. I see a lot of that in posts here. You do know what that means. Guesses. With things like COVID the best thing is not to guess. We’ve been here before. Let’s keep collecting data and talking about the best way forward on the facts.

As for the comment “ why does anybody vaccinated care about the people who choose not to be?” You know the answer but choose to believe something else.

Sure seems like “ a day ending in Y”, doesn’t it??

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Why has this mocking phrase come up again in here? Because some posters have stated they believe others have a right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not? Or was it because some called out their personal distaste for strict mitigation efforts outside of the vaccine?

Or choosing to get a booster or not.

 

[hopemax]

Where did I say any of those things, including what you “quoted“?

A lot of people have severe anxiety over Covid, including the person I was responding too, it’s unhealthy and doesn’t help them in any way, I’m not seeing how me telling them to focus on the positive can in any way be construed to me telling businesses and the government to not plan for the future.

That may be the furthest reach I’ve seen in 5,000 pages on this thread.

I guess I have to add use of quotation marks to things I do that bother people in this thread. They were literally the last things I added, not to quote you (I did that by using the quote function), but because without punctuation I thought my initial sentence was a little hard to follow. Throughout this thread I have used quotation marks to signify a separation between the bits of outside ideas within a sentence of my ideas.

It is not a reach to take a singular course of action, multiply it by a ton of people making similar singular courses of action and then make statements about what the cumulative impact of all those singular decisions is. If you want to twist that into what you posted, that's on you. We are allowed to build on points of discussion, to use them as jumping off points, are we not? The free market and government made decisions, and part of that was based on input by the citizenry and those decisions left us in another round of reactive crisis management. Which is very anxiety inducing. Everyone wants off this ride. Virus doesn't care.

 

[Incomudro]

Not true - all of us being exposed does not equate to all of us getting it. Intentionally exposing people who don't have a say has never been okay. They made HIV intentional exposures a crime for a reason.

HIV was an incurable death sentence.

 

[JoeCamel]

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[TrainsOfDisney]

HIV was an incurable death sentence.

It also involved a little bit more than being in the same room with someone. Strange comparison to make.

It’s not a US law to quarantine if you know you have covid correct? Just a reccomendation?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

HIV was an incurable death sentence.

In the early days…as covid continues to be to many who are not physically healthy enough to fight off that kinda respiratory infection

yet another straw man comparison…do better

 

[correcaminos]

HIV was an incurable death sentence.

I understand that. Still is a crime for a reason. That crime doesn't stick with just HIV either. Any knowing communicable spread can be illegal in some states and rightly so.

It also involved a little bit more than being in the same room with someone. Strange comparison to make.

It’s not a US law to quarantine if you know you have covid correct? Just a reccomendation?

It's not just HIV and it is a crime in some states to knowingly spread diseases. My state would prosecute for more than one disease. Not a strange comparison.

Is It a Crime to Intentionally Get Someone Sick?

A person can face criminal charges for intentionally or recklessly exposing or spreading infectious diseases, such as COVID or HIV.

www.nolo.com

 

[Nubs70]

It also involved a little bit more than being in the same room with someone. Strange comparison to make.

Who's solution was proclaimed to be a vaccine, at the exclusion of clinically proven treatments. Funny how the same people take the same approach.

 

[Timmay]

Why has this mocking phrase come up again in here? Because some posters have stated they believe others have a right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not? Or was it because some called out their personal distaste for strict mitigation efforts outside of the vaccine?

It makes some feel better about everything, including themselves, I guess.

 

[correcaminos]

Who's solution was proclaimed to be a vaccine, at the exclusion of clinically proven treatments. Funny how the same people take the same approach.

Huh? I was simply stating knowingly infecting people can be illegal. Jeez people are going off the deep end today.

 

[BrianLo]

It is clear that one of the main objectives for vaccination passports is to increase the vaccine rates. I don't see that ever being in dispute. IMO, that part can be seen as a success. But please do not try to sell me on that being the sole reason for having them. That is just not accurate. That is just not how it was sold.

To be fair to this conversation we are having, I was personally not selling you on the other aspects. I've always maintained it's about increasing vaccine rates.

I'll be honest, I think I'm increasingly in the socialist (not for personal choice) camp. I will own it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Who's solution was proclaimed to be a vaccine, at the exclusion of clinically proven treatments. Funny how the same people take the same approach.

Because there is no situation where treatment is better than prevention.

 

[DCBaker]

"In early December, Moderna also decided to evaluate the potential of lower doses to meet regulatory guidance for immunogenicity in children 6-11 years of age and in adolescents 12-17 years of age in our ongoing clinical trials. The Company is also evaluating a booster dose in adolescents 12-17 years of age. The Company is in the process of implementing those various protocol amendments."

"We expect to report data in children 2-5 years of age in March. If the data is supportive and subject to regulatory consultation, Moderna may proceed with regulatory filings for children 2-5 years of age thereafter."

Statement on COVID-19 Vaccine Clinical Studies in Children & Adolescents

The U.S. FDA requested additional participants at a given dose level in pediatric cohorts after the VRBPAC review of requirements for pediatric EUA on June 10, 2021, and Moderna complied at that time. Outside the United States, Moderna has received regulatory authorizations in Europe, UK...

investors.modernatx.com

 

[BrianLo]

My issue is that many Canadians on this page openly bash the US, and the US approach, while bragging about Canada's.
Those people can have Canada's approach, and it's results in covid, and in the rest of the spectrum - if that's the way they like to live.
If they'd like some more freedom, they can come south of the Great Lakes.

With current restrictions in place such as indoor dining and gym closures, as well as limiting gatherings to like 5 people (I believe that is what it is now?), being able to live normally is definitely debatable. With that being said, Canada can be Canada and do what they want. If the majority of people suddenly don't support it, they will let it be known either by protesting or voting the current individuals out of office.

I want to parse this out, not actually because I'm mad or annoyed, but because we exist on different sides of a chasm and it's interesting to see others perspectives.

The old adage of when the US sneezes the World gets a cold is particularly true to Canada. For better or worse we are not citizens, but what the US does matters a heck of a lot to us.

I think what irritates Canadians is having the US apply their beliefs against our society. What the US finds controversial topics are sort of settled issues in Canada. Universal Healthcare carries 90% support for example. Does anything in the US carry this level of support? That's sort of rhetorical, but those things are closed issues.

Continuing the example, Universal Healthcare is really not a viable debate, but of course is an extremely hot topic in the US. Vaccine passports carry near equally wide support. A lot of the noise is from a loud vocal minority of Canadians or a much larger ?minority or maybe even majority of Americans. I have no problem with people speaking their stance, but it's worth pointing the stance is not applicable to the sentiment up here.

Generally the majority (in Canada) still feel we are not doing enough. So pointing out what is happening in Canada is not a justification for the US to do less, it reinforces the belief that we still generally want to do more. Some will and have no doubt left, but most do not want to.

 

[Married5Times]

The old adage of when the US sneezes the World gets a cold is particularly true to Canada.

wait,
wasn't that France and how it affected the rest of Europe centuries ago????????

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I want to parse this out, not actually because I'm mad or annoyed, but because we exist on different sides of a chasm and it's interesting to see others perspectives.

The old adage of when the US sneezes the World gets a cold is particularly true to Canada. For better or worse we are not citizens, but what the US does matters a heck of a lot to us.

I think what irritates Canadians is having the US apply their beliefs against our society. What the US finds controversial topics are sort of settled issues in Canada. Universal Healthcare carries 90% support for example. Does anything in the US carry this level of support? That's sort of rhetorical, but those things are closed issues.

Continuing the example, Universal Healthcare is really not a viable debate, but of course is an extremely hot topic in the US. Vaccine passports carry near equally wide support. A lot of the noise is from a loud vocal minority of Canadians or a much larger ?minority or maybe even majority of Americans. I have no problem with people speaking their stance, but it's worth pointing the stance is not applicable to the sentiment up here.

Generally the majority (in Canada) still feel we are not doing enough. So pointing out what is happening in Canada is not a justification for the US to do less, it reinforces the belief that we still generally want to do more. Some will and have no doubt left, but most do not want to.

Fantastic…thank you

 

[Andrew C]

Generally the majority (in Canada) still feel we are not doing enough.

You needed more testing availability. You also needed vaccine mandates coming from the provinces. But what do I know?

As a side note, I’m pretty familiar with the mindset of Canadians and how we differ. Mostly because I was born there and visit family there on a relatively frequent basis.

 

[BrianLo]

You needed more testing availability. You also needed vaccine mandates coming from the provinces. But what do I know?

As a side note, I’m pretty familiar with the mindset of Canadians and how we differ. Mostly because I was born there and visit family there on a relatively frequent basis.

I agree!

Most of the vaccine mandates are provincial though? The only federal mandate is around interprovincial transportation. The passports that are more broadly discussed are provincial. I think that's what it so fascinating is not that one province did it, but they all inevitably did in their own forms. That's also why I mean it's sort of a settled issue.

 

[Andrew C]

I agree!

Most of the vaccine mandates are provincial though? The only federal mandate is around interprovincial transportation. The passports that are more broadly discussed are provincial. I think that's what it so fascinating is not that one province did it, but they all inevitably did in their own forms. That's also why I mean it's sort of a settled issue.

When I say vaccine mandate, I mean required vaccines all. Not passports. If you’re gonna do passports, may as well go all the way.