Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Analyst]

Forgive me for not knowing the nitty-gritty of the Canadian universal system. Is this akin to increased premiums on employees (like Delta has announced)?

If so, that’s a reasonable step. Mandates might be the most direct, like @Andrew C said, but we have seen the political appetite bfor a universal mandate at almost every level.

I am not sure how Quebec works, healthcare is run by each Province.

In BC, we used to have a thing called MSP. This was a fee we paid monthly, for our healthcare, and it was priced based on your income bracket. BC got rid of MSP a few years ago, which is now covered by employers.

So essentially, we don't pay anything now directly for our healthcare, apart from medication, dental, eye care, etc.

In this case it sounds like if you are in Quebec, unvaccinated, and you use the health system (see a doctor, go to emergency), you will be charged a fee, which is not something we do currently.

 

[Incomudro]

Fear of COVID is not driving behavior as much now as it was back in 2020 or even 2021.

That's for sure.
We had a fear of the unknown when covid broke out, and no vaccines.
I myself wore an N95 to hit the supermarket, and was even spraying down mail and packages with Lysol in the garage before bringing them into the house.
There was a period of time when I thought the people working in that supermarket were risking their very lives.
I felt bad for them.
Well, they're all still alive - even the old ones.
As for now:
Well... I'm tripple vaxxed and I retired in March right when covid was hitting, so I no longer commute on public transportation, (I had and hour and a half to two hour bus ride, plus a one stop subway ride) and I'm no longer at work.
My only public foray's are the supermarket, and the gym.
I don't wear a mask of any type to either of those locations, and my fear of a serious infection virtually zero.

 

[Incomudro]

lol. Just mandate it for all.

Canada needs to be liberated.

 

[sullyinMT]

I am not sure how Quebec works, healthcare is run by each Province.

In BC, we used to have a thing called MSP. This was a fee we paid monthly, for our healthcare, and it was priced based on your income bracket. BC got rid of MSP a few years ago, which is now covered by employers.

So essentially, we don't pay anything now directly for our healthcare, apart from medication, dental, eye care, etc.

In this case it sounds like if you are in Quebec, unvaccinated, and you use the health system (see a doctor, go to emergency), you will be charged a fee, which is nothing something we do currently.

Thank you.

How do you think the citizens of BC would react if something similar came in to play there? My understanding is you have a very high vaccine uptake. Would it be received differently if applied to 18+ vs 12+ vs 5+?

Privately insured here in the US would probably lose their minds (at least the vocal minority). But the majority would grumble and loudly complain if COVID related premiums, copays, and deductibles went up for everyone just to appease the unvaccinated few.

 

[sullyinMT]

Canada needs to be liberated.

What an odd statement. They have free and fair elections, and their participation in the Commonwealth is willful. Canada is hardly an oppressed nation.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Thank you.

How do you think the citizens of BC would react if something similar came in to play there? My understanding is you have a very high vaccine uptake. Would it be received differently if applied to 18+ vs 12+ vs 5+?

Privately insured here in the US would probably lose their minds (at least the vocal minority). But the majority would grumble and loudly complain if COVID related premiums, copays, and deductibles went up for everyone just to appease the unvaccinated few.

I think it would certainly cause an uproar amongst the minority unvaccinated. Lots of "our freedom" chatter. I am sure some vaccinated would take issue for them. And I am sure many would say "tough luck, get vaccinated".

 

[Andrew C]

Canada needs to be liberated.

Hahaha. The people seemed to have been supportive of their mitigation efforts for the most part. Different mindset as I mentioned a while ago.

 

[Andrew C]

What an odd statement. They have free and fair elections, and their participation in the Commonwealth is willful. Canada is hardly an oppressed nation.

I assume he was making a joke based on some of the provinces’s strict mandates. For example, I believe Quebec still has a curfew in effect.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Hahaha. The people seemed to have been supportive of their mitigation efforts for the most part. Different mindset as I mentioned a while ago.

There has always been people against it, despite the fact they have no other solutions to offer apart from "do nothing, don't live in fear".

BUT you are right. The majority have been supportive, have followed the rules, and still follow the rules when they are reinstated.

Does Quebec's curfew make any sense? No. Do people like it? No. Are people against it? Yes.

Do people follow the Quebec Curfew despite not thinking it makes any sense? Most do.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There's a downed electrical wire near me and the police won't let me go near it.

Won't someone liberate me from the oppression of this police-state!!!?

 

[celluloid]

There's a downed electrical wire near me and the police won't let me go near it.

Won't someone liberate me from the oppression of this police-state!!!?

It is your freedom to go near it. Life is inherent risk! It is just like static cling.

Sorry for participating in shock humor.

 

[seascape]

There's a downed electrical wire near me and the police won't let me go near it.

Won't someone liberate me from the oppression of this police-state!!!?

Live electric wires are extremely dangerous.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Live electric wires are extremely dangerous.

...just like COVID...

 

[Chip Chipperson]

My local hospital has postponed elective surgeries. As of 1/6, 89% of its beds are occupied, with 28% of beds being occupied COVID-19 patients. That's up from 72% and 16%, respectively, at the end of December, so there is a clear increase in occupied beds over the course of a week.

 

[seascape]

...just like COVID...

Live electric wires will kill almost everyone who touch them. Covid kills a tiny percentage of those who get it. I still favor everyone to get vaccinated, especially anyone with a preexisting condition. However, comparing the danger of the two is just wrong. Finally, one last thing, if a live wire lands on your car and you are in it, do nothing. Stay in your car because it is grounded. DO NOT TRY AND GET OUT OF THE CAR.

 

[Andrew C]

My local hospital has postponed elective surgeries. As of 1/6, 89% of its beds are occupied, with 28% of beds being occupied COVID-19 patients. That's up from 72% and 16%, respectively, at the end of December, so there is a clear increase in occupied beds over the course of a week.

Not surprising considering the sheer number of cases everywhere. Luckily, peak is supposed to be coming soon.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I am not sure how Quebec works, healthcare is run by each Province.

In BC, we used to have a thing called MSP. This was a fee we paid monthly, for our healthcare, and it was priced based on your income bracket. BC got rid of MSP a few years ago, which is now covered by employers.

So essentially, we don't pay anything now directly for our healthcare, apart from medication, dental, eye care, etc.

In this case it sounds like if you are in Quebec, unvaccinated, and you use the health system (see a doctor, go to emergency), you will be charged a fee, which is not something we do currently.

Sounds like it's not a fee when getting medical treatment, it's a flat out financial penalty if not vaccinated.

“A health contribution will be charged to all adults that don’t want to get vaccinated. We are there now,”

“All Quebec adults who refuse in the coming weeks to at least get a first dose, will be getting a bill,”

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That's for sure.
We had a fear of the unknown when covid broke out, and no vaccines.
I myself wore an N95 to hit the supermarket, and was even spraying down mail and packages with Lysol in the garage before bringing them into the house.
There was a period of time when I thought the people working in that supermarket were risking their very lives.
I felt bad for them.
Well, they're all still alive - even the old ones.
As for now:
Well... I'm tripple vaxxed and I retired in March right when covid was hitting, so I no longer commute on public transportation, (I had and hour and a half to two hour bus ride, plus a one stop subway ride) and I'm no longer at work.
My only public foray's are the supermarket, and the gym.
I don't wear a mask of any type to either of those locations, and my fear of a serious infection virtually zero.

I’m similar, the first few months I only went to the grocery store once every week or two and that was about it (and everything got wiped with a Clorox wipe before it came into the house), my only other trips outside the house were for walking and riding my bike and I’d mask up to even pass another person.

Now, triple vaxxed, back at work (although at reduced hours still due to it being slow), back to taking trips, back to going to the store on a whim… I still complain that life isn’t “normal” but I’m thankful it’s 95% more normal than it was 18 months ago.

The only things that still linger from those early months is I still wash my hands as soon as I walk in the door, I now use Clorox in my normal house cleaning rather than soapy water, and I still wear a mask where it’s required. We’ve come a long way.

 

[BrianLo]

Is it all of Canada or just that one Ontario set of data?

If we're going to push the "Hospitalization with COVID" instead it's all "Hospitalization for COVID", it's possible that's the reason the Ontario graph looks that way.

Are there any other locations reporting similar scenarios where it's higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated people?

The NY Times newsletter today looks at NY City and Seattle for cases, hospitalizations, deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated. They match the rest of the reports that unvaccinated is way way worse. They include some notes about the "with" vs "for", which really just makes the differences even larger.

The Morning: A growing gap

I think that link should load the newsletter.

They call out some notes that while Omicron is milder (less hospitalization), that's way more true for vaccinated. For the unvaccinated it's still plenty severe to be an issue.

I would still love to know why the Ontario graphs look the way they do, as they definitely seem to be an outlier. Which makes me think there's a hidden story in there somewhere.

Posters are just cherry picking data and ‘suddenly’ care about what is happening in Canada. Because for whatever bloody reason they are still anti vaccine promotion and want to live in their made up reality that encouraging vaccination is somehow detrimental. Detrimental to them, detrimental to the economy… whatever the excuse is that is not actually being borne out in Canada.

Here’s the recent data from Ontario

Lets not mention the fact that the major population centres of Canada (Ontario and Quebec) are further ahead in the Omicron wave and people are still dying at a 2.6x increased frequency rate in the US (adjusting for population) in the last seven days.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Posters are just cherry picking data and ‘suddenly’ care about what is happening in Canada. Because for whatever bloody reason they are still anti vaccine promotion and want to live in their made up reality that encouraging vaccination is somehow detrimental. Detrimental to them, detrimental to the economy… whatever the excuse is that is not actually being borne out in Canada.

That's because cherry-picking data out of Israel got them nowhere.