Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.

Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.

My business partner went to a wedding in Jacksonville Christmas weekend. The parents are pro-vax to the extreme and asked that nobody attend if they weren't vaccinated. Not only was everyone vaccinated but any who were due were also boosted.

Within days, over 3/4 of the attendees had developed cold-like symptoms and all who did and got tested were positive for COVID. My partner and his wife both had symptoms but neither got tested. They just isolated at home.

The moral of this story is that 100% vaccination at an event didn't stop Omicron (an assumption) from rampantly spreading.

In fact, it would appear that it wasn't even a small speed bump. Maybe the vaccination made the symptoms less severe but it didn't prevent symptoms in a huge percentage of the attendees.

I don't understand how anybody can look at the data and insist that if everyone would just get vaccinated/boosted/whatever that COVID would go away. Perhaps it was true with an earlier variant but it is not true with Omicron.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don't understand how anybody can look at the data and insist that if everyone would just get vaccinated/boosted/whatever that COVID would go away. Perhaps it was true with an earlier variant but it is not true with Omicron.

I think people have to blame something or someone for bad things. So it has to be “those people” at fault. It’s a defense.

 

[Lilofan]

My business partner went to a wedding in Jacksonville Christmas weekend. The parents are pro-vax to the extreme and asked that nobody attend if they weren't vaccinated. Now only was everyone vaccinated but any who were due were also boosted.

Within days, over 3/4 of the attendees had developed cold-like symptoms and all who did and got tested were positive for COVID. My partner and his wife both had symptoms but neither got tested. They just isolated at home.

The moral of this story is that 100% vaccination at an event didn't stop Omicron (an assumption) from rampantly spreading.

In fact, it would appear that it wasn't even a small speed bump. Maybe the vaccination made the symptoms less severe but it didn't prevent symptoms in a huge percentage of the attendees.

I don't understand how anybody can look at the data and insist that if everyone would just get vaccinated/boosted/whatever that COVID would go away. Perhaps it was true with an earlier variant but it is not true with Omicron.

It is absolutely crazy right now. I have been wearing my mask most of the hours of the day and night when indoors with others that are boosted even at social distancing. I eat very far apart from others. When I was offered bottled water by the desk staff at the dentist while waiting for a family member I went outside and drank it because I did not want to take my mask off in the lobby. I'm boosted also and taking care of an immunocompromised family member.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don't understand how anybody can look at the data and insist that if everyone would just get vaccinated/boosted/whatever that COVID would go away. Perhaps it was true with an earlier variant but it is not true with Omicron.

How about looking at the data and insisting that if everyone would just get vaccinated, the number of people needing hospitalisation would dwindle to insignificance?

 

[DisneyCane]

How about looking at the data and insisting that if everyone would just get vaccinated, the number of people needing hospitalisation would dwindle to insignificance?

You can make that argument for sure but that's not the argument most pro-mandate people make.

It's too early in Omicron to judge the hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated so we can't say how much difference it would make.

For sure that's the conclusion with the earlier variants.

 

[mmascari]

The moral of this story is that 100% vaccination at an event didn't stop Omicron (an assumption) from rampantly spreading.

So, we're back at March 2020 then, almost?

We'll need new vaccines to stop the spread.
We'll need to keep other mitigations going until we can get new vaccines and get enough vaccinated with the new vaccines.

We're not quite back at March 2020, the existing vaccine can still keep healthcare facilities from collapsing. But, really, the economy and normalcy in general, is going to suffer anyway from all the sick time.

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Ontario moves schools to online learning, bans indoor dining and issues new COVID capacity restrictions — Global News

The Ontario government has issued several new public health measures that includes moving schools online, closures and capacity limits for businesses due to the Omicron variant.

apple.news

Did I read that right that bars are open until 11pm (consumption on premises) but indoor dining at restaurants is closed?

That makes no sense

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

I’s say we’re nowhere near 2020, we have vaccines that are still effective against severe cases, we have treatments we didn’t have then, and hopefully Omicron being more contagious but less deadly indicates we are approaching the endemic phase.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

I saw a funny meme on Facebook recently that said “I didn’t know that 2020 was a trilogy.”

 

[Lilofan]

So, we're back at March 2020 then, almost?

We'll need new vaccines to stop the spread.
We'll need to keep other mitigations going until we can get new vaccines and get enough vaccinated with the new vaccines.

We're not quite back at March 2020, the existing vaccine can still keep healthcare facilities from collapsing. But, really, the economy and normalcy in general, is going to suffer anyway from all the sick time.

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

Yes that's a huge concern, if many staff cannot come to work due to illness, the operation is impacted immensely.

 

[Bullseye1967]

I think people have to blame something or someone for bad things. So it has to be “those people” at fault. It’s a defense.

There is also the fact that these variants are coming from other countries, many with very low vaccination rates.

 

[correcaminos]

So, we're back at March 2020 then, almost?

We'll need new vaccines to stop the spread.
We'll need to keep other mitigations going until we can get new vaccines and get enough vaccinated with the new vaccines.

We're not quite back at March 2020, the existing vaccine can still keep healthcare facilities from collapsing. But, really, the economy and normalcy in general, is going to suffer anyway from all the sick time.

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

Except we're not. We have data showing vaccines keep people out of the hospital way more. No matter what naysayers here try to claim. Even in my limited experience with kids getting it and passing to parents who have to care for the kids, I see more limited positives. The one you are quoting for some reason wants to minimize vaccines. Not worth listening to. They help. We will likely see disruptions but no where the magnitude of 2020

 

[Heelz2315]

Everything will be better by March.

Of what year?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Looks like Omicron is going to run out of new hosts to infect pretty quickly… might peak within a week or two at this rate.

 

[Lilofan]

Except we're not. We have data showing vaccines keep people out of the hospital way more. No matter what naysayers here try to claim. Even in my limited experience with kids getting it and passing to parents who have to care for the kids, I see more limited positives. The one you are quoting for some reason wants to minimize vaccines. Not worth listening to. They help. We will likely see disruptions but no where the magnitude of 2020

Don't miss the 2020 disruption of multiple food shortages, limit amount of customers inside business, finding TP , Lysol spray, hand sanitizer was like finding gold, etc but all the liquor stores were still open.

 

[correcaminos]

Don't miss the 2020 disruption of multiple food shortages, limit amount of customers inside business, finding TP , Lysol spray, hand sanitizer was like finding gold, etc but all the liquor stores were still open.

We still have some supply disruptions tbh. But again not the same levels. Though it took me months to find tomato sauce I can use. It was like gold when I found it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

So, we're back at March 2020 then, almost?

We'll need new vaccines to stop the spread.
We'll need to keep other mitigations going until we can get new vaccines and get enough vaccinated with the new vaccines.

We're not quite back at March 2020, the existing vaccine can still keep healthcare facilities from collapsing. But, really, the economy and normalcy in general, is going to suffer anyway from all the sick time.

Welcome to 2020 take 2.

If the promise of the nasal vaccines under development pan out, then we may have a tool that actually does a much better job of limiting spread. But even if they work as hoped, we're probably a year away, at the earliest. And who knows what kind of stupid excuses the refuseniks would come up with.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

Of what year?

2525 (if man is still alive).

 

[Flugell]

2525 (if man is still alive).

The greatest one hit wonder song, in my opinion!

 

[hopemax]

2525 (if man is still alive).

The greatest one hit wonder song, in my opinion!

One of my Mom’s favorite songs.

 

[Jim L]

Disney along with many companies and countries followed the science. This covid epidemic is ever changing so science also changes. In regards to regrets, I think some who have died from complications of Covid may have regretted not getting vaccinated.

Too bad WDW has challenges controlling the snakes and gator population . One thing I stick to is walking on the sidewalks and not on the grass. At least I can see the garter snakes better from a distance. A snake crawling up my leg a few years ago was no fun.

Maybe declare the unvaccinated immunocompromised? Or is that too radical? Or logical?

In what way does a very real immunocompromized person who has a medical condition compare to someone who isn't going to self isolate, mask or get vaccinated?