Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

From the response you quoted, bolding mine:

COVID-19 is a general, society-wide public health issue for the appropriate federal, state, and local public health agencies to address. It is not a distinctly occupational issue, and OSHA may not pass the buck to America’s private employers. The federal Government instead should allow businesses to focus on doing their jobs: sustaining commerce during a worldwide pandemic for the benefit of all Americans. At the same time, state and local health officials can continue performing their jobs at finding public health solutions, with the support of the crucial federal resources offered by the President.

I find that interesting in argument against the vaccine mandate.

For the first part, if everyone (or at least almost everyone, really almost not what we have today) was vaccinated, it would be much easier to sustain commerce. There would be less people out sick, and it should end the worldwide pandemic (at least locally) faster, also making commerce easier. Which makes it feel like the response is saying we want to do this the hard way.

For the second part, are they saying it would be fine if the states did it instead of the feds? Do they really want 50 different vaccination rules that are all slightly different in the nuances but each need to be followed. Reading that I see them saying there really should be a public health solution, just not this one even though this one is the only one that will actually work.

This should be interesting.

If they had argued that the infrastructure doesn't exist for them to do the validation in a quality way that matches the rule, that would feel like a better reason, at least short term. I've heard that one from the airline industry. That the airline front line workers don't want to be responsible for validating vaccine status without a system that supports that. They don't want to look at some card or picture of a card and need to decide if it's good enough or not. But, that if there was a system they could use to validate, where the system handled those details, then they would like a vaccine mandate for air travel.

 

[hopemax]

Just a cough would be nice. Everyday is a new primary symptom. Fever. Sore Throat. Cough. Back to Sore Throat. Back to Fever. No headache or stuffiness which I am grateful for, but this is annoying. I say I feel like Randall from Monsters Inc.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We should make it harder for the unvaccinated to move about and live normally. They are the sole reason we are still dealing with this bullcrap.

NYC required me to show vaccine status and wear a mask in order to work and enter restaurants. So why is nyc having terrible numbers now?

I guess making it harder for the unvaccinated doesn’t really matter?

 

[lazyboy97o]

NYC required me to show vaccine status and wear a mask in order to work and enter restaurants. So why is nyc having terrible numbers now?

I guess making it harder for the unvaccinated doesn’t really matter?

This has been explained repeatedly.

 

[Incomudro]

Sorry to hear you’re unwell. Are you self-isolating just in case it is COVID?

I wouldn't even define that as unwell.

 

[mmascari]

If we only have a cold now.... we can get Omicron next week or two weeks, yes? Omicron is making even boosted / vaccinated people sick, yes? The risk of getting Omicron is not "tiny." So we could get sick again, yes?

I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.

Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.

A year later, harder to tell. But, you're not going to be a year later for a year to worry about it.

Which just gets back to, if you're going to make decisions for after recovery based on if it was COVID or not, you should get tested. If it's not going to matter how you make decisions after recovery, then it doesn't matter. Either way, as long as people act like it's COVID while they're actually sick, that's fine.

Nothing wrong with both approaches.

 

[LittleBuford]

I wouldn't even define that as unwell.

Showing potential symptoms of COVID, then. My question had to do with self-isolation anyway, not the severity of her symptoms.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

NYC required me to show vaccine status and wear a mask in order to work and enter restaurants. So why is nyc having terrible numbers now?

I guess making it harder for the unvaccinated doesn’t really matter?

NYC has an incredibly dense population, which makes it easier to spread the virus. Also, a vaccine mandate doesn't prevent people from having gatherings at home and pretending the virus isn't a real threat, so any mitigation short of early-pandemic lockdowns will only do so much to prevent the spread. But something not being 100% effective doesn't mean going with the alternative that is 0% effective.

 

[disneygeek90]

Sorry to hear you’re unwell. Are you self-isolating just in case it is COVID?

I haven't gone anywhere and this week most people are working from home. Tomorrow would be my "5th" day according to the CDC so I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

 

[lostpro9het]

I really wish that those who repeatedly post dangerous disinformation here would be banned from the site.

This site wouldn't have any members left if that were the case.

 

[correcaminos]

I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.

Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.

A year later, harder to tell. But, you're not going to be a year later for a year to worry about it.

Which just gets back to, if you're going to make decisions for after recovery based on if it was COVID or not, you should get tested. If it's not going to matter how you make decisions after recovery, then it doesn't matter. Either way, as long as people act like it's COVID while they're actually sick, that's fine.

Nothing wrong with both approaches.

One of my friends boosted - caught it from their kid. Obviously just taking care of him was enough repeated exposure. They had a headache and mild stuffiness. Not unlike some of my usual sinus crud. Symptoms gone before isolation ended. Two other in the house did not catch it in case others care. Without known contact, I admit I doubt I'd test myself for that. As long as it doesn't make people act different after and they do isolate while symptomatic I don't have a huge issue either. I did get on one poster because I knew where it would end. We cannot pretend we had it and are fine, but we cannot ignore illness and go out in public if fearing sick either.

Looks like Weds for teen boosters https://www.reuters.com/business/he...d-19-booster-shot-12-15-year-olds-2022-01-03/

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

NYC has an incredibly dense population, which makes it easier to spread the virus. Also, a vaccine mandate doesn't prevent people from having gatherings at home and pretending the virus isn't a real threat, so any mitigation short of early-pandemic lockdowns will only do so much to prevent the spread. But something not being 100% effective doesn't mean going with the alternative that is 0% effective.

I’m not totally against the measures that NYC is taking. But it seems you need a total lockdown like Australia to make a real difference.

When I was working in NYC, it seemed many in the hospitalry industry felt that the requirements weren’t helping the covid numbers and were hurting the nyc economy.

 

[mmascari]

NYC required me to show vaccine status and wear a mask in order to work and enter restaurants. So why is nyc having terrible numbers now?

I guess making it harder for the unvaccinated doesn’t really matter?

The action and the effect are mostly once removed, it's not completely direct.

At a specific location, requiring vaccination means less of the people there will likely be spreading to others. However, beyond that location at all the other places people interact that don't require it there's no direct impact.

Indirectly, making it harder for the unvaccinated encourages more of them to get vaccinated instead. This is where the real lasting impact occurs.

Without contact tracing and detailed reporting about where people are catching COVID, we've got no idea if the cases are from those restricted locations or not. One would assume most spread is not happing at the restricted locations, but still some. The NYC case numbers aren't from restricted locations only.

The reporting reflects the second impact. That the restrictions create incentive for people to get vaccinated and the vaccinated percentage increases directly in response to how much harder it is for the unvaccinated. It needs to increase enough to crest the inflection point of the curve and have a meaningful impact. A point we once hoped was 70% but was probably higher, a point that was probably close to 85% with Delta, and a point that's definitely even higher with Omicron somewhere over 90% or 95% now.

So, as long as you see the vaccinated percent increasing instead of staying flat, then making it harder for the unvaccinated is working as intended.

 

[LittleBuford]

Tomorrow would be my "5th" day according to the CDC so I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

The guidance isn’t especially clear at the moment.

CDC could add a negative test to its new isolation guidelines, Fauci says

The CDC recently cut the number of days it recommends COVID-positive people remain in isolation from 10 days to five, but it didn't require a negative test to leave isolation.

www.npr.org

In any case, I hope the cough goes away soon.

 

[LittleBuford]

This site wouldn't have any members left if that were the case.

Most people who post here do so in good faith and don’t spread outright lies. I have no interest in silencing people whose views I disagree with, but those who insist on spreading demonstrably false information, even after being corrected multiple times, are a different matter entirely.

 

[Disneydad1012]

I've had an incredibly sporadic cough since late on 12/31. No other symptoms, just a random mild cough every 30 minutes or even few hours. Other than that, I feel totally fine. It is odd because while I do have allergies regularly, I never cough and a cough is typically my last symptom to develop with a cold, not the only symptom. If only I could just pick up an at home test. At this point it doesn't even seem worth it to try to go anywhere else for how mild this is, but there is a part of me that is wondering.

This is the same with me expect just a mild sore throat...nothing else at all. I really just wanted to go grab an at home test but that's not possible anymore as they are sold out everywhere. Now I have to wait 24-36 hours for the lab based test to come back. Kinda annoying. Plus I'm stuck using PTO for this but if positive I get 14 days off paid without using PTO...

 

[Lilofan]

Except the world doesn’t stay open when too many people are out sick.

I think saying thank you is a two way street. Staff should thank customers for their business. Customers should thank staff for coming to work!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’m not totally against the measures that NYC is taking. But it seems you need a total lockdown like Australia to make a real difference.

When I was working in NYC, it seemed many in the hospitalry industry felt that the requirements weren’t helping the covid numbers and were hurting the nyc economy.

I think the New York measures may have worked 3-6 months ago against a recently vaccinated population and a strain like Delta, unfortunately it’s a different scenario now with Omicron and decreased immunity in those that got vaccinated over 6 months ago and haven’t boosted yet.

The vaccines still prevent serious illness though, exploding cases is concerning but still less crucial than hospitalizations and deaths.

 

[Andrew C]

Ontario moves schools to online learning, bans indoor dining and issues new COVID capacity restrictions — Global News

The Ontario government has issued several new public health measures that includes moving schools online, closures and capacity limits for businesses due to the Omicron variant.

apple.news

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.

Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.

My business partner went to a wedding in Jacksonville Christmas weekend. The parents are pro-vax to the extreme and asked that nobody attend if they weren't vaccinated. Not only was everyone vaccinated but any who were due were also boosted.

Within days, over 3/4 of the attendees had developed cold-like symptoms and all who did and got tested were positive for COVID. My partner and his wife both had symptoms but neither got tested. They just isolated at home.

The moral of this story is that 100% vaccination at an event didn't stop Omicron (an assumption) from rampantly spreading.

In fact, it would appear that it wasn't even a small speed bump. Maybe the vaccination made the symptoms less severe but it didn't prevent symptoms in a huge percentage of the attendees.

I don't understand how anybody can look at the data and insist that if everyone would just get vaccinated/boosted/whatever that COVID would go away. Perhaps it was true with an earlier variant but it is not true with Omicron.