LittleBuford
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Sorry to hear you’re unwell. Are you self-isolating just in case it is COVID?
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From the response you quoted, bolding mine:
I find that interesting in argument against the vaccine mandate.
For the first part, if everyone (or at least almost everyone, really almost not what we have today) was vaccinated, it would be much easier to sustain commerce. There would be less people out sick, and it should end the worldwide pandemic (at least locally) faster, also making commerce easier. Which makes it feel like the response is saying we want to do this the hard way.
For the second part, are they saying it would be fine if the states did it instead of the feds? Do they really want 50 different vaccination rules that are all slightly different in the nuances but each need to be followed. Reading that I see them saying there really should be a public health solution, just not this one even though this one is the only one that will actually work.
This should be interesting.
If they had argued that the infrastructure doesn't exist for them to do the validation in a quality way that matches the rule, that would feel like a better reason, at least short term. I've heard that one from the airline industry. That the airline front line workers don't want to be responsible for validating vaccine status without a system that supports that. They don't want to look at some card or picture of a card and need to decide if it's good enough or not. But, that if there was a system they could use to validate, where the system handled those details, then they would like a vaccine mandate for air travel.
I find that interesting in argument against the vaccine mandate.
For the first part, if everyone (or at least almost everyone, really almost not what we have today) was vaccinated, it would be much easier to sustain commerce. There would be less people out sick, and it should end the worldwide pandemic (at least locally) faster, also making commerce easier. Which makes it feel like the response is saying we want to do this the hard way.
For the second part, are they saying it would be fine if the states did it instead of the feds? Do they really want 50 different vaccination rules that are all slightly different in the nuances but each need to be followed. Reading that I see them saying there really should be a public health solution, just not this one even though this one is the only one that will actually work.
This should be interesting.
If they had argued that the infrastructure doesn't exist for them to do the validation in a quality way that matches the rule, that would feel like a better reason, at least short term. I've heard that one from the airline industry. That the airline front line workers don't want to be responsible for validating vaccine status without a system that supports that. They don't want to look at some card or picture of a card and need to decide if it's good enough or not. But, that if there was a system they could use to validate, where the system handled those details, then they would like a vaccine mandate for air travel.
TrainsOfDisney
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NYC required me to show vaccine status and wear a mask in order to work and enter restaurants. So why is nyc having terrible numbers now?
I guess making it harder for the unvaccinated doesn’t really matter?
lazyboy97o
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This has been explained repeatedly.
Incomudro
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I wouldn't even define that as unwell.
I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.
Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.
A year later, harder to tell. But, you're not going to be a year later for a year to worry about it.
Which just gets back to, if you're going to make decisions for after recovery based on if it was COVID or not, you should get tested. If it's not going to matter how you make decisions after recovery, then it doesn't matter. Either way, as long as people act like it's COVID while they're actually sick, that's fine.
Nothing wrong with both approaches.
LittleBuford
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Showing potential symptoms of COVID, then. My question had to do with self-isolation anyway, not the severity of her symptoms.
Chip Chipperson
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NYC has an incredibly dense population, which makes it easier to spread the virus. Also, a vaccine mandate doesn't prevent people from having gatherings at home and pretending the virus isn't a real threat, so any mitigation short of early-pandemic lockdowns will only do so much to prevent the spread. But something not being 100% effective doesn't mean going with the alternative that is 0% effective.
disneygeek90
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I haven't gone anywhere and this week most people are working from home. Tomorrow would be my "5th" day according to the CDC so I'm not even sure what that means anymore.
lostpro9het
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This site wouldn't have any members left if that were the case.
correcaminos
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One of my friends boosted - caught it from their kid. Obviously just taking care of him was enough repeated exposure. They had a headache and mild stuffiness. Not unlike some of my usual sinus crud. Symptoms gone before isolation ended. Two other in the house did not catch it in case others care. Without known contact, I admit I doubt I'd test myself for that. As long as it doesn't make people act different after and they do isolate while symptomatic I don't have a huge issue either. I did get on one poster because I knew where it would end. We cannot pretend we had it and are fine, but we cannot ignore illness and go out in public if fearing sick either.I don't know that we have the data on Omicron making people sick enough to realize it after they've been boosted. We definitely know without a booster it happens. We also definitely know boosted people who test for other reasons are coming up positive with Omicron, and reporting no symptoms. These are in the news a lot.
Either way, you're probably right that the chances of catching Omicron twice in a short period are way less than your chances for the first one. Probably true no matter your vaccination doses, but even more so with a full boosted course.
A year later, harder to tell. But, you're not going to be a year later for a year to worry about it.
Which just gets back to, if you're going to make decisions for after recovery based on if it was COVID or not, you should get tested. If it's not going to matter how you make decisions after recovery, then it doesn't matter. Either way, as long as people act like it's COVID while they're actually sick, that's fine.
Nothing wrong with both approaches.
Looks like Weds for teen boosters https://www.reuters.com/business/he...d-19-booster-shot-12-15-year-olds-2022-01-03/
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m not totally against the measures that NYC is taking. But it seems you need a total lockdown like Australia to make a real difference.
When I was working in NYC, it seemed many in the hospitalry industry felt that the requirements weren’t helping the covid numbers and were hurting the nyc economy.
The action and the effect are mostly once removed, it's not completely direct.
At a specific location, requiring vaccination means less of the people there will likely be spreading to others. However, beyond that location at all the other places people interact that don't require it there's no direct impact.
Indirectly, making it harder for the unvaccinated encourages more of them to get vaccinated instead. This is where the real lasting impact occurs.
Without contact tracing and detailed reporting about where people are catching COVID, we've got no idea if the cases are from those restricted locations or not. One would assume most spread is not happing at the restricted locations, but still some. The NYC case numbers aren't from restricted locations only.
The reporting reflects the second impact. That the restrictions create incentive for people to get vaccinated and the vaccinated percentage increases directly in response to how much harder it is for the unvaccinated. It needs to increase enough to crest the inflection point of the curve and have a meaningful impact. A point we once hoped was 70% but was probably higher, a point that was probably close to 85% with Delta, and a point that's definitely even higher with Omicron somewhere over 90% or 95% now.
So, as long as you see the vaccinated percent increasing instead of staying flat, then making it harder for the unvaccinated is working as intended.
LittleBuford
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The guidance isn’t especially clear at the moment.
CDC could add a negative test to its new isolation guidelines, Fauci says
The CDC recently cut the number of days it recommends COVID-positive people remain in isolation from 10 days to five, but it didn't require a negative test to leave isolation.
www.npr.org
In any case, I hope the cough goes away soon.
LittleBuford
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Most people who post here do so in good faith and don’t spread outright lies. I have no interest in silencing people whose views I disagree with, but those who insist on spreading demonstrably false information, even after being corrected multiple times, are a different matter entirely.
Disneydad1012
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This is the same with me expect just a mild sore throat...nothing else at all. I really just wanted to go grab an at home test but that's not possible anymore as they are sold out everywhere. Now I have to wait 24-36 hours for the lab based test to come back. Kinda annoying. Plus I'm stuck using PTO for this but if positive I get 14 days off paid without using PTO...
I think saying thank you is a two way street. Staff should thank customers for their business. Customers should thank staff for coming to work!
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think the New York measures may have worked 3-6 months ago against a recently vaccinated population and a strain like Delta, unfortunately it’s a different scenario now with Omicron and decreased immunity in those that got vaccinated over 6 months ago and haven’t boosted yet.
The vaccines still prevent serious illness though, exploding cases is concerning but still less crucial than hospitalizations and deaths.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Ontario moves schools to online learning, bans indoor dining and issues new COVID capacity restrictions — Global News
The Ontario government has issued several new public health measures that includes moving schools online, closures and capacity limits for businesses due to the Omicron variant.
apple.news
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