Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

So make the immune compromised suffer. Got it.

My friend who is normally in great health is having to suffer because of fools. Temporary too. They are told to stay home period. It sucks. Won't even go into cancer patients and the like.

Enough with your anti-vax comments. Seriously you never quit. I get it, you want your life back. I do too. But not at the expense of my friends in the medical field.

My wife is in the medical field (as well as several relatives and friends) and just about all of them agree with me and don't feel they are suffering at anybody's expense.

 

[Patcheslee]

I woke up with a sore throat today here in MA trying to find a test is almost impossible. I was able to get one but had to book "for 2 people" since a single wasn't available till 1/10. What I found most frustrating was places that had no availabilitly but when choosing to pay out of pocket($180) there were spots available.

Health department next available appointment in my town is Jan 6th. CVS not availability through Jan 16th, Walgreen Jan 8th.

 

[correcaminos]

My wife is in the medical field (as well as several relatives and friends) and just about all of them agree with me and don't feel they are suffering at anybody's expense.

Huh tell that to the people I know who are burned out and sick to death of this. I can copy dozens of their comments if you like. Or tell that to the workers at my local med center who now have to swing again because no overnight surgeries that are none emergent are allowed. But keep doubling down on your comments to try to prove we're all horrible people for caring.

 

[DisneyCane]

Huh tell that to the people I know who are burned out and sick to death of this. I can copy dozens of their comments if you like. Or tell that to the workers at my local med center who now have to swing again because no overnight surgeries that are none emergent are allowed. But keep doubling down on your comments to try to prove we're all horrible people for caring.

My intent was to point out that not everybody feels the same. I don't doubt there are health care workers who are burned out or agree with you. However, there are plenty who aren't and agree with me.

 

[DisneyCane]

I woke up with a sore throat today here in MA trying to find a test is almost impossible. I was able to get one but had to book "for 2 people" since a single wasn't available till 1/10. What I found most frustrating was places that had no availabilitly but when choosing to pay out of pocket($180) there were spots available.

Health department next available appointment in my town is Jan 6th. CVS not availability through Jan 16th, Walgreen Jan 8th.

I honestly don't understand the desire to get tested. If you don't have a severe case it doesn't make any difference in the treatment which is essentially to wait it out until you get better.

If you have COVID-like symptoms, why not just assume you have it and isolate for the recommended time period? The only benefit to testing is statistics at this point. Just about everywhere is in the "high" community spread category so testing isn't even useful to know the level of community spread.

Test and trace was never successful and it is 100% useless at this point.

 

[mkt]

Everything will be better by March.

I hope so. I'd like to be able to accompany my wife to the hospital while my son is born.

 

[Lilofan]

My intent was to point out that not everybody feels the same. I don't doubt there are health care workers who are burned out or agree with you. However, there are plenty who aren't and agree with me.

Plenty is subjective, my family and friends who are med techs, RNs, doctors in the hospitals are burnt out beyond belief.

 

[correcaminos]

My intent was to point out that not everybody feels the same. I don't doubt there are health care workers who are burned out or agree with you. However, there are plenty who aren't and agree with me.

No, not everyone feels the same. Which is why we're screwing up massively here.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Why is 'numbers' in quotes? Are you calling into question facts and resources so as to sow the seeds of mistrust of authorities and experts?

Anyhoo, you have posted false information.

You, @DisneyCane, in fact, consistently post false information.

So, yes, relatively recently, the case rate in FL was low. And when you compare a low number to a high number (the current case rate) the proportional increase can misrepresent reality.

However, you're cherry picking facts. Are you doing this purposely, or, do you still not understand how any of this data works? Is that why 'numbers' was in quotes, because you're confused by them?

The case rate is based on a 7 day or 14 day average. The NYT chart below uses a 14 day average. Fourteen days ago was December 20. And on December 20, FL's case rate was already bad and exploding. It was higher than the peak of FL's third wave in May. And just look how it has exploded, even including the lower numbers of the previous 14 days.

So, you're attempt to give false information, namely, that FL's numbers aren't that bad because other people (not you!!!) are misusing the numbers in their comparisons.

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But, that's you: Constantly cherry picking numbers to downplay the seriousness of a world wide pandemic.

So, let's move on to your other false information, that is, that it's all Miami's fault that FL looks bad or is driving up FL's community spread. Take a look at this heat map of cases in FL...

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Yes, it's bad in Miami where there is a very high density of people in a city environment. But look, it's also pretty bad in Orlando and Jacksonville and Tallahassee and Gainesville.

Tell me, what is the Gainesville - Miami connection? Is Gainesville a bedroom/commuter suburb of Miami? Is there a bullet train running between them? Dozens of flights between the two every day?

You and others love to blame FL's community spread on Miami and "outsiders." Tell me, how often do Miamians and outsiders descend upon Gainesville?

So, stop posting this blatantly false information in a really bad and ridiculous attempt to make these two contradictory points:

1. It's not that bad in FL.​

2. It is bad in FL, but it's Miami's fault.​

Both are demonstrably false.

That map you are showing is also deceptive because the top end is too low, so many counties are at max. Here is the cases per 100k from 1/1/22 with a different top end. The top rates are Orange at 68 per 100k, Palm Beach at 113, Broward at 172, and Miami Dade at 276. The county that houses your sleepy Gainesville is at 37, so context does matter and data can be skewed either way depending how you show it.

 

[Polkadotdress]

People with compromised immune systems will always be at risk because there will always be spread. Apply what I bolded to other debates and you may feel differently.

The people in those categories will have to take extra precautions like wearing an N95 (or equivalent) respirator whenever they are around other people.

You say the vaccinated are way less likely to spread SARS-CoV-2. Can you quantify that especially with Omicron? It doesn't seem to me that there is any evidence that the people with compromised immune systems will be significantly safer from the Omicron variant even with 100% vaccination.

So, what's your plan for people like me, who are immunocompriised? I don't qualify for disability, and still have to earn a living.

So make the immune compromised suffer. Got it.

This mindset is literally the worst (and I'm aware you are saying that in response to someone who feels that way for real). I am still "living my life", and because of that am entangled in a Covid exposure scare that happened this week due to me eating my lunch at my desk when it was raining (couldn't go outside to be distanced).

What the heck am I actually supposed to do to survive??? I can't be masked forever, but am thinking that's what will happen.

 

[Bullseye1967]

How did you type an entire paragraph about 3 pedals without using the word fun?

I learned to drive a stick in a 1979 VW Rabbit. Somehow my father thought the Chicago expressway in rush hour traffic would be a good place. I still remember him shouting "Push the foot feed!" at me over and over. I was really sure which pedal the "foot feed" was. It was trial by fire. I stalled the car many times, but I learned quick!

 

[correcaminos]

I honestly don't understand the desire to get tested. If you don't have a severe case it doesn't make any difference in the treatment which is essentially to wait it out until you get better.

If you have COVID-like symptoms, why not just assume you have it and isolate for the recommended time period? The only benefit to testing is statistics at this point. Just about everywhere is in the "high" community spread category so testing isn't even useful to know the level of community spread.

Test and trace was never successful and it is 100% useless at this point.

And if you have a non covid illness? Then you go about your life thinking you have some extra immunity you don't. This is really irresponsible advice.

So, what's your plan for people like me, who are immunocompriised? I don't qualify for disability, and still have to earn a living.

This mindset is literally the worst (and I'm aware you are saying that in response to someone who feels that way for real). I am still "living my life", and because of that am entangled in a Covid exposure scare that happened this week due to me eating my lunch at my desk when it was raining (couldn't go outside to be distanced).

What the heck am I actually supposed to do to survive??? I can't be masked forever, but am thinking that's what will happen.

My heart really goes out to you. I wish I had good answers, but to protect people like you has been my goal all along. I don't likemthe idea people like you are caught in the middle of this stupidity and seriously hurtful line of thinking.

 

[mmascari]

The word "aware" is important. Further down, it states:

You think the "aware" is hiding thousands of cases?

That's up there with the data is being manipulated to show a story and the idea that the FL data is being manipulated instead of just hard to get at.

Finding state data on breakthrough cases is difficult or not available on many state web sites. But, I was able to find something on Maine, NY (already linked), Delaware, and Maryland. The number of vaccinated breakthrough cases dwarfs the number of unvaccinated cases in all of them. Doesn't matter if you're looking at cases for just the last month vs all vaccinated breakthroughs or the entire year.

 

[Polkadotdress]

And if you have a non covid illness? Then you go about your life thinking you have some extra immunity you don't. This is really irresponsible advice.


My heart really goes out to you. I wish I had good answers, but to protect people like you has been my goal all along. I don't likemthe idea people like you are caught in the middle of this stupidity and seriously hurtful line of thinking.

Thanks for your support.

And if you add on the complete disaster that is Covid testing (stood in line for 8+ hours yesterday at a county site to get a PCR test), you can imagine how frustrated I am by all of this.

 

[BrianLo]

So let me try and understand the logic here. They are concerned about holiday gatherings leading to the hospitals being overwhelmed. They are predisposed to authoritarian mitigation measures so either way they will be doing something that I would vehemently disagree with and be thankful that I live very far away from Ontario.

The solution to keeping the hospitals from getting overwhelmed due to holiday gatherings is not to preemptively limit the gatherings but instead to close indoor dining (which has never been proven to be a major contributor to spread), limiting retail capacity to 25%, cancelling ticketed events and limiting indoor gatherings two weeks after the ones that possibly led to the overwhelming of hospitals already happened?

That makes a ton of sense!

Without dipping into Canadian politics, no one said it made sense. Most feel it’s again reactionary instead of proactive. But a large part of the damage is done and they are trying to stop fanning the flames.

Very very very anecdotal. I would agree with you on restaurants previously… but I have several family and friends whom work in restaraunts in Ontario and have all caught Omicron. Maybe it is strictly through the employees, but they all seem clueless about where it came from other than obviously ‘work’. I’ve been lucky, I’ve almost known no one with COVID and suddenly a wave of people I know connected to restaurants have all contracted it.

We simply don’t have enough data specific to Omicron. I don’t think studies based on previous variants are applicable to what mitigations do and do not work with this spread.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So, what's your plan for people like me, who are immunocompriised? I don't qualify for disability, and still have to earn a living.

Get vaccinated if you can, clean your hands often, wear your mask when necessary, and social distance when needed… and ultimately hope Omicron turns it into an endemic. Not all that different from anyone else at this point.

We’re almost 2 years in, beyond getting vaccinated there’s not much else we can do to protect the immunocompromised because we all have to earn a living to, which means keeping the world open.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I woke up with a sore throat today here in MA trying to find a test is almost impossible. I was able to get one but had to book "for 2 people" since a single wasn't available till 1/10. What I found most frustrating was places that had no availabilitly but when choosing to pay out of pocket($180) there were spots available.

Reminds me a bit of that lawsuit filed against Disneyland recently. AP holders with no blackout dates found so many days with no availability to visit the parks. Yet when they did a quick search of some of the same days as a regular ticket buyer for a day, it was open to book. Of course it has to go through the process to see what exactly happened but the class action, I believe it is a class action, sounds like what you experienced.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I woke up with a sore throat today here in MA trying to find a test is almost impossible. I was able to get one but had to book "for 2 people" since a single wasn't available till 1/10. What I found most frustrating was places that had no availabilitly but when choosing to pay out of pocket($180) there were spots available.

Geez, is everything moving to G+ and ILL selections?

 

[lazyboy97o]

We’re almost 2 years in, beyond getting vaccinated there’s not much else we can do to protect the immunocompromised because we all have to earn a living to, which means keeping the world open.

Except the world doesn’t stay open when too many people are out sick.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Except the world doesn’t stay open when too many people are out sick.

Better a few businesses at a time rather than the whole world. I’m a full time union employee who hasn’t worked more than 20 hours in a week since March 2020, fortunately I’ve got fairly significant savings but I can’t keep spending my retirement money forever or I’ll be broke before I ever get a chance to retire.