Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Disney Analyst

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Very chilling indeed...

Can I ask you, how many confirmed cases are being reported in the Netherlands, as of today?

Not to jump in, but... I just got back to Canada from Amsterdam last week, so I have all the links.


Currently at 5560 positive cases, 276 deceased.
 

Nunu

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Not to jump in, but... I just got back to Canada from Amsterdam last week, so I have all the links.


Currently at 5560 positive cases, 276 deceased.
Thank you.
That number is higher than I thought. I can't even fathom how we'd be able to manage a number like that, here in my country...
 

ToTBellHop

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I thought they already had legal euthanasia? Why not put all of the old people who get it out of their misery quickly in a humane fashion? :rolleyes:
Apparently that would be best for the US economy so we can get fired back up by Easter...you do realize Chapek may not get a bonus this year, right? How is he supposed to pay for his kids’ nannies who are helping them distance learn while he runs the company by WebEx?
 

thomas998

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Officials here in the Netherlands seem quite proud of the fact the majority of deaths are older and 'weaker' patients who have agreed to go home and die rather than take up hospital resources. They still have enough beds, but it's coming up to crunch time and they seem strangely open about making the calculation that its not worth spending resources on people who are probably going to die soon anyway.

As someone who's not from here, it's a bit chilling, to be honest.
Not surprising. The netherlands has one of the lowest ICU beds per capita in all of Europe. They rank about 26 out of 30 European countries, with about half as the number of Italy.

Or course one does wonder if the politicians in the Netherlands would be so altruistic or be demanding every possible thing to survive if they were have the virus and have it take a turn for the worse.
 

Josh Hendy

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I thought they already had legal euthanasia? Why not put all of the old people who get it out of their misery quickly in a humane fashion? :rolleyes:
A few years after they implemented legalized euthanasia in Netherlands, I read a news story that said they did an audit. Although 10s of thousands of people had already been euthanized, the audit found that in very few cases had the proper procedures been followed I.e. the checks and balances. Presumably that meant, in many cases the staff in govt seniors homes were bumping off old people who either had no close family, or else the family was being lied to that "they really wanted it".
 

Sir_Cliff

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Very chilling indeed...

Can I ask you, how many confirmed cases are being reported in the Netherlands, as of today?
As of today, it's 5,560 cases and 276 deaths. They have stopped testing people with mild symptoms, so who knows what the real numbers are. The report from the last 24 hours was 811 new cases and 63 new deaths, so it seems to be accelerating.

To put this in context, the Netherlands has a population of 17 million people. So, for example, it ranks around 5th in the world in terms of per capita deaths from coronavirus.

EDIT: I see @Disney Analyst already posted the figures!

I thought they already had legal euthanasia? Why not put all of the old people who get it out of their misery quickly in a humane fashion? :rolleyes:
Seems to be the attitude.

They do also have 'psychiatric euthanasia' here which means that you don't have to be physically close to death but can seek out euthanasia due to 'psychiatric suffering'. I think it's still rare that a doctor approves it, but it does happen.
 

seascape

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As an American who has a home in NY and NJ I can get away with saying this. No one should be surprised by the self centered people traveling and spreading Covid19 around the US. So many people in this area think they are entitled and don't care about others. Just look at the lawyer in New Rochelle that left his isolation to go to a party. Or look at the New York City resident who took a Jet Blue flight to West Palm Beach. Am I surprised, NO. No one should be. That is why the rest of the country does not like New Yorkers. I will not travel to another State until this problem is over.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Not surprising. The netherlands has one of the lowest ICU beds per capita in all of Europe. They rank about 26 out of 30 European countries, with about half as the number of Italy.

Or course one does wonder if the politicians in the Netherlands would be so altruistic or be demanding every possible thing to survive if they were have the virus and have it take a turn for the worse.
Indeed. I know people in the US have valid complaints about how authorities have handled the outbreak. Believe me, though, Dutch authorities haven't been covering themselves in glory either, and it has laid bare how much funding they have stripped out of the health system. It's no wonder they're trying to convince people to go and quietly die at home as they'll be hitting ICU capacity very soon at this rate. They're already sending convoys of ambulances to move patients to different hospitals around the country from the hardest hit regions.

The government has also been very reluctant to lock things down due to the economic cost and bet for a very long time that measures such as instructing people not to shake hands would be enough. In fact, I just read an article two days ago quoting the head statistical modeller from the RIVM (Public Health Ministry) that we should start to see the number of new cases decrease this week as a result of the Dutch government's directive on 9 March for people not to shake hands. I shall await that downturn with baited breath. :rolleyes:
 
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GoofGoof

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As an American who has a home in NY and NJ I can get away with saying this. No one should be surprised by the self centered people traveling and spreading Covid19 around the US. So many people in this area think they are entitled and don't care about others. Just look at the lawyer in New Rochelle that left his isolation to go to a party. Or look at the New York City resident who took a Jet Blue flight to West Palm Beach. Am I surprised, NO. No one should be. That is why the rest of the country does not like New Yorkers. I will not travel to another State until this problem is over.
The guy who broke quarantine to go to the father daughter dance was from Kentucky, but his grandfather on his mother’s side was a Yankees fan so there is a connection;)
 

easyrowrdw

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A few years after they implemented legalized euthanasia in Netherlands, I read a news story that said they did an audit. Although 10s of thousands of people had already been euthanized, the audit found that in very few cases had the proper procedures been followed I.e. the checks and balances. Presumably that meant, in many cases the staff in govt seniors homes were bumping off old people who either had no close family, or else the family was being lied to that "they really wanted it".

That's awful, but it also makes me think of this...

 

WDWTrojan

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Just out of curiosity, are there any Disney employees that can work remotely?

Yes, lots but there's a big difference between operations folks, whose primary job is to run the operation in the park and the back office teams responsible for everything from IT to marketing to PR to HR & Governmental Affairs. These back office teams are continuing to work full-time from home. It's the operations side that has basically ceased to work, save for some skeleton crews.
 
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The Mom

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84% testing negative makes me think they are testing anyone and everyone that wants one regardless of whether they are showing symptoms.

There are 3 drive through testing sites here (NE FL). 2 require a doctor's order. The 3rd is self - regulating. You are only supposed to be tested if you have symptoms or have been exposed, but I'm sure people are being tested because they want to be. The same location is also testing any first responders, healthcare workers, etc regardless of any symptoms or exposure.

So that might result in a lot of negative tests. We also have a large number of patients from a local nursing/assisted/independent living facility, so all residents, everyone on staff, visitors, etc have been tested.

There have been other large scale testing sites in other counties.
 

thomas998

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There are 3 drive through testing sites here (NE FL). 2 require a doctor's order. The 3rd is self - regulating. You are only supposed to be tested if you have symptoms or have been exposed, but I'm sure people are being tested because they want to be. The same location is also testing any first responders, healthcare workers, etc regardless of any symptoms or exposure.

So that might result in a lot of negative tests. We also have a large number of patients from a local nursing/assisted/independent living facility, so all residents, everyone on staff, visitors, etc have been tested.

There have been other large scale testing sites in other counties.
Makes sense as to why it's so low then. I wonder what the ratio of negatives looks like in a state where you have to beg and plead to be tested.... Can't imagine it would be this high. This is one of the areas where with limited tests out there they need a more standardized way to allocate them. At the very least with a standard method you might get a better idea of which states are really starting to hurt and which ones are artificially low from lack of testing.
 
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