Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

I made this chart of FL cases and hospitalizations on the CDC website and selected dates that show the Delta and (presumably) Omicron surges. The difference in the relative level of hospitalizations to cases is striking. It certainly appears that some combination of Omicron generally causing less severe illness with vaccinated and previously infected people having some kind of protection from Omicron infections causing severe illness has led to this.

Assuming this trend continues, I don't see why anybody is remotely concerned about "the numbers" outside of click bait and ratings bait for news channels and local news. Somebody posted an article a day or two ago pointing out the "record" daily cases in FL. It failed to mention that hospitalizations are around 20% of what they were at the prior record. If the prior variants of COVID caused severe disease at an 80% lower level, there would have been under 200,000 deaths so far in the US (in close to 2 years) and it wouldn't have been much worse than a bad flu season.

Based on early indications, it seems that Omicron combined with whatever immunity profile exists in the population is not an earth shattering disease and shouldn't be treated that way. More harm is done to healthcare capacity by having asymptomatic providers who test positive stay out of work for 5 days than is done by Omicron causing people to need to be hospitalized.

 

[King Panda 77]

The incentives could be better to roll up sleeves instead of $100, free mary jane, or a glazed donut everyday of 2021 ( Krispy Kreme ) , etc .

Why should there be any incentives ?
Get the Jab or don't . We shouldn't be paying people to do this.

 

[danlb_2000]

I think he is talking about the "there's a new variant. we are all going to die!!!" Covid **** that is constantly playing on the news channels.

I am still waiting for them to change the terminology from "variant of concern" to "variant of oh my God we are all going to die."

 

[LittleBuford]

All News when Omicron came out made it out to be much easier to catch than Delta but forgot the part about it being milder. Bad news gets clicks.

A tantalizing clue to why omicron is spreading so quickly

A new study from the University of Hong Kong offers preliminary information that could explain why this new coronavirus variant may be more transmissible.

www.npr.org

Omicron is spreading faster than any other Covid variant, WHO warns

"The reality is that omicron is probably in most countries, even if it hasn't been detected yet," Tedros said.

www.cnbc.com

America Is Not Ready for Omicron

The new variant poses a far graver threat at the collective level than the individual one—the kind of test that the U.S. has repeatedly failed.

www.theatlantic.com

So NPR, CNBC, and the Atlantic are not responsible news sources? There also are stories from CNN, Fox, and MSNBC also. I can give you twenty more stories if you like.

Did you actually read the articles? All three discuss the possibility that the variant is milder while also reporting the concerns of experts cautioning against drawing early conclusions. This was the state of our knowledge in the middle of the month, and the stories you shared accurately reflect it.

 

[Lilofan]

Why should there be any incentives ?
Get the Jab or don't . We shouldn't be paying people to do this.

People that are were eligible should get the jab but incentives including get the shot or face losing your job makes some think more.

 

[dreday3]

To say the news, at least in the US, isn't "sensationalizing" this variant (any variant), is ridiculous. They are first to push the panic button and the last to report that maybe we didn't need to panic.

Come on. Admitting that doesn't mean you are minimizing the seriousness of Covid.

 

[Lilofan]

I am still waiting for them to change the terminology from "variant of concern" to "variant of oh my God we are all going to die."

Not something to joke about. A college buddy of mine I had learned is currently fighting for his life in the hospital.

 

[King Panda 77]

People that are were eligible should get the jab but incentives including get the shot or face losing your job makes some think more.

That's not an incentive though. That's a career choice.

 

[Jrb1979]

do you want a medal

Yeah a BIG GOLD ONE. . I think you missed the point of what I was saying. I'm tired of hearing from the minority about living in FEAR of Covid.

 

[Lilofan]

That's not an incentive though. That's a career choice.

Yes incentive choice to face unemployment , but a way to avoid that is to get the shot per their company policy .

 

[King Panda 77]

Yeah a BIG GOLD ONE. . I think you missed the point of what I was saying. I'm tired of hearing from the minority about living in FEAR of Covid.

To be fair both extreme sides of this argument tend to be the most vocal.

 

[danlb_2000]

Not something to joke about. A college buddy of mine I had learned is currently fighting for his life in the hospital.

Making lite of the way the media over plays everything, not making lite of the virus.

 

[King Panda 77]

Yes incentive choice to face unemployment , but a way to avoid that is to get the shot per their company policy .

Sorry. Let me be clearer . There shouldn't be any PAYING people to get the shot.

 

[Lilofan]

I think he is talking about the "there's a new variant. we are all going to die!!!" Covid **** that is constantly playing on the news channels.

Curious, what news channel is quoted saying this type of information because unless it is a conspiracy theory peddled by suspect people , it hasn't come from a major news channel .

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Curious, what news channel is quoted saying this type of information because unless it is a conspiracy theory peddled by suspect people , it hasn't come from a major news channel .

It’s because no news channel is saying it. Sensationalize sometimes yes, but that isn’t being said. I think it’s where the person’s mindset is when hearing things. If your in the camp of “ let the virus run it’s course and no mitigation “ your going to take anything said on the news as a overboard view on scaring people, no matter what it is. On the other side you may have people thinking it’s getting worse and we need to do more. Bottom line is people need to exaggerate their point to draw attention to it.
Quick story about my time delivering mail at the PO for 34 years. Whenever there was a complaint called Olin about a piece of mail being delivered to a wrong house for any of the carriers, it was almost always followed up with “ and this happens a few times a week”. It builds their case.. hoping someone will see it as a big problem. I just don’t get people sometimes.

 

[DisneyCane]

It’s because no news channel is saying it. Sensationalize sometimes yes, but that isn’t being said. I think it’s where the person’s mindset is when hearing things. If your in the camp of “ let the virus run it’s course and no mitigation “ your going to take anything said on the news as a overboard view on scaring people, no matter what it is. On the other side you may have people thinking it’s getting worse and we need to do more. Bottom line is people need to exaggerate their point to draw attention to it.
Quick story about my time delivering mail at the PO for 34 years. Whenever there was a complaint called Olin about a piece of mail being delivered to a wrong house for any of the carriers, it was almost always followed up with “ and this happens a few times a week”. It builds their case.. hoping someone will see it as a big problem. I just don’t get people sometimes.

No, it isn't only the people of my mindset that interpret the news that way. My mom has the complete opposite mindset that I do and has since day 1. She double masks with one being KN95, she wouldn't visit my Dad in the hospital or hospice when he was dying (not of COVID) last August just to give you an idea of her mindset.

She watches the news (I don't) and her COVID anxiety/fear seemed quite a bit better in late October and November. Then, once Omicron started being reported she was right back where she was before and this was prior to "the numbers" going up in FL.

My wife and I both think (based on symptoms my Mom has) that she needs to see a psychiatrist to deal with her irrational fear that is seemingly affecting her health in a negative way and 100% of her anxiety has been caused by the way the news reports on COVID.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

For anyone who still thinks there's no impact on the rest of us when we pretend the pandemic is over. A NJ Walmart location is temporarily closed because over 90 employees have tested positive. Yeah, it's "just" a Walmart and it's just 1 store, but there are people in that town (and most towns in the country) who can't afford to shop at more expensive stores, including for their groceries. It's also an example of what can happen when any workplace has an outbreak, so don't think it can't happen somewhere else like food processing plants or warehouses that store essential items. Whether it's Omicron or Delta running through that store doesn't matter at this point because the number of cases has forced them to close regardless of the severity of the illnesses (and with 90+ cases, it's likely they aren't all mild).

NJ Walmart Temporarily Closes After Employee COVID Outbreak, Worker Says

A New Jersey Walmart turned away customers Tuesday evening and will remain closed to the public on Wednesday after dozens of employees tested positive for COVID-19, a worker at the store said.

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[mmascari]

All News when Omicron came out made it out to be much easier to catch than Delta but forgot the part about it being milder. Bad news gets clicks.

We knew it was much easier to catch way before we knew it was milder. Also, remember milder only means less hospitalization and death, not less or none of everything else.

For things like slowing community spread, easier to catch is a big deal. All that math that says even with less of something per occurrence, when you crank up the number of occurrences the raw number of less can be quite large.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

No, it isn't only the people of my mindset that interpret the news that way. My mom has the complete opposite mindset that I do and has since day 1. She double masks with one being KN95, she wouldn't visit my Dad in the hospital or hospice when he was dying (not of COVID) last August just to give you an idea of her mindset.

She watches the news (I don't) and her COVID anxiety/fear seemed quite a bit better in late October and November. Then, once Omicron started being reported she was right back where she was before and this was prior to "the numbers" going up in FL.

My wife and I both think (based on symptoms my Mom has) that she needs to see a psychiatrist to deal with her irrational fear that is seemingly affecting her health in a negative way and 100% of her anxiety has been caused by the way the news reports on COVID.

Well I hope your mom feels better and gets the help she needs. Any people dealing with it like she is definitely needs to get the stress levels down.
With that said, I’ll stick by my point. If anyone is effected by the news, maybe switch the channel. There are millions of people watching it daily that take it for what it is. We know any channel we watch will sensationalize what ever they are pushing. If it effects you in negative ways, get away from it.

 

[dreday3]

We knew it was much easier to catch way before we knew it was milder. Also, remember milder only means less hospitalization and death, not less or none of everything else.

For things like slowing community spread, easier to catch is a big deal. All that math that says even with less of something per occurrence, when you crank up the number of occurrences the raw number of less can be quite large.

I think by saying this you are discounting a lot of what is being reported. Of course not all cases will be mild, some people will have more serious cases but not be hospitalized and some may have long-term effects.

But the majority of cases - for those who are vaccinated or vaccinated/boosted - the reports are that they are having mild cases. Mild as in mild. I say this from watching the dreaded news, reading articles and personal experiences. This wave is producing the largest amount of positive cases in my friends/family group than any of the previous waves - and they are all mild. As in gone in a few days and they could have worked if allowed or no symptoms at all.

I still can't understand why realizing that is a bad thing on this thread. You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.