Nubs70
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It proved safe and effective for my cohort.
Vaccine was simply not available at that time.
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Vaccine was simply not available at that time.
LittleBuford
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I’m not sure what news you’re following, but no responsible mainstream outlet is telling us we’re all going to die. The prevailing wisdom for the past few weeks has been that Omicron appears to be less severe but is so transmissible that hospital beds will start filling again anyway. And that indeed is what’s happening.
hopemax
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We are back home. The package of rapid COVID tests that I requested for free from my state were on our kitchen table. My test came back negative. Since there are only 4, we decided to test DH until tomorrow. Then we will test again with the other 2 on New Year's to make sure we stay negative, and to account for possible exposure from my Dad and today's travel. We have no plans to go out between now and then. Returning to CO during the winter is always an assault on my sinuses because it's so dry, so I expect to be overthinking every sniffle and throat clearing cough until the 2nd test.
The negative was a little surprising because my Dad woke up Christmas morning with a sore throat and cough. Later that day he said his nose felt stuffed, but not runny and his temperature was 99.6. On 12/26 he slept a good chunk of the day. 12/27 the stuffed nose got runny. He says he started feeling better last night, and even better today, but he still sounds pretty nasal. I scheduled his COVID test through Walmart's program but it's not until Thursday morning. He's going to try a community health clinic he used the other time he needed a test tomorrow. Neither DH or I have any symptoms (which is why we took our flight given the updated guidelines if boosted, asymptomatic and we had high quality masks which we didn't remove at all. We ate before and after the airport). The difference between what he did and we did... we have had our booster and wore 3M KN95-equivalent masks in the parks, including outdoor attraction/queues and at Universal before they were required... he wore his surgical mask only when necessary and his booster isn't until January. I don't know if we were just lucky or if our extra precautions made a difference. When I told my Dad about the negative test, he was relieved. I'm grateful his symptoms are cold-like. I suppose there is a chance that he just has a cold, but we are expecting him to be positive. We think, based on our schedule and the volume of people, that he was exposed on 12/22 on our Epcot day.
I'm glad we got to celebrate together, but I can't say the low level of added stress didn't weigh on either DH or me. So it's nice to be back home in the basement
. But 80 degrees was nice.
The negative was a little surprising because my Dad woke up Christmas morning with a sore throat and cough. Later that day he said his nose felt stuffed, but not runny and his temperature was 99.6. On 12/26 he slept a good chunk of the day. 12/27 the stuffed nose got runny. He says he started feeling better last night, and even better today, but he still sounds pretty nasal. I scheduled his COVID test through Walmart's program but it's not until Thursday morning. He's going to try a community health clinic he used the other time he needed a test tomorrow. Neither DH or I have any symptoms (which is why we took our flight given the updated guidelines if boosted, asymptomatic and we had high quality masks which we didn't remove at all. We ate before and after the airport). The difference between what he did and we did... we have had our booster and wore 3M KN95-equivalent masks in the parks, including outdoor attraction/queues and at Universal before they were required... he wore his surgical mask only when necessary and his booster isn't until January. I don't know if we were just lucky or if our extra precautions made a difference. When I told my Dad about the negative test, he was relieved. I'm grateful his symptoms are cold-like. I suppose there is a chance that he just has a cold, but we are expecting him to be positive. We think, based on our schedule and the volume of people, that he was exposed on 12/22 on our Epcot day.
I'm glad we got to celebrate together, but I can't say the low level of added stress didn't weigh on either DH or me. So it's nice to be back home in the basement
. But 80 degrees was nice.
I wonder if this person was a poster here
6abc.com
Royersford firefighter dies due to complications from COVID-19
RIP: Michael Lessar joined the Royersford Fire Department in 2018.
6abc.com
Willfully getting chickenpox to develop 'natural immunity' to it is one of the dumbest things ever.
The virus has a good chance remaining in your nervous system (which your immune system can't get to). It then has a good chance to reappear throughout one's life, causing very painful shingles.
Or, you can get the vaccine and have a good chance of ever allowing the virus to take up residence in your nervous system.
The virus has a good chance remaining in your nervous system (which your immune system can't get to). It then has a good chance to reappear throughout one's life, causing very painful shingles.
Shingles
Main article: Herpes zoster
After a chickenpox infection, the virus remains dormant in the body's nerve tissues for about 50 years. This, however, does not mean that VZV cannot be contracted later in life. The immune system usually keeps the virus at bay, however it can still manifest itself at any given age between 1 and 60, causing a different form of the viral infection called shingles (also known as herpes zoster).[32] Since the human immune system efficacy decreases with age, the United States Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) suggests that every adult over the age of 50 years get the herpes zoster vaccine.[33]
Shingles affects one in five adults infected with chickenpox as children, especially those who are immune-suppressed, particularly from cancer, HIV, or other conditions. Stress can bring on shingles as well, although scientists are still researching the connection.[34] Adults over the age of 60 who had chickenpox but not shingles are the most prone age demographic.[35]
Or, you can get the vaccine and have a good chance of ever allowing the virus to take up residence in your nervous system.
LittleBuford
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Before the introduction of the vaccine,* I can see why parents felt it was better for their children to catch the virus while young rather than risk it later in life, when it can have much more serious effects. I myself didn't attend a chickenpox "party", but it was fully expected (and, I daresay, hoped) that I would become infected in the normal course of childhood, which is what ended up happening.
* As I discovered today, the vaccine first became available in 1988 and wasn't routinely administered in the US until 1995. It is still not a thing in the UK, though I'm convinced it should be.
AEfx
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People are talking about 25-30 years ago - before the internet as we know it made everyone "medical experts", before the vaccine was even approved in the US for children in the mid-90's - and it didn't become standard immediately, even then.
The thought of vaccinating against it is very much a millennial-generation thing. This connection between chicken pox and shingles was known to the medical research community, but was not commonly discussed knowledge among the public (likely, and particularly, because there wasn't anything at the time one could do about it anyway, as everyone was pretty much expected to get chicken pox eventually). It didn't become part of the mainstream discussion until the vaccinations began and people would ask "why on Earth would you bother to vaccinate against something like chicken pox?" because it was seen as an annoying, but innocuous, "childhood disease" - just part of growing up.
The conventional wisdom up until that point was that parents hoped their kids got it early just to get it over with - because the later in childhood you got it, the sicker you would get - and it was well-known that if you somehow managed to make it through until adulthood before you got it, there even worse complications. I personally didn't get it until junior high, and the pox itself was mildly annoying, it was getting really sick to go along with it that sucked.
Heck, this train of thought was so common to even become a television trope - "oh look, one of the kids got exposed to chicken pox, someone is going to get itchy! guess who gets a few days off of school? grab the calamine lotion!", only to find out that one of the adults in the household had somehow miraculously never had it, which led to isolation/genuine concern/sitcom hijinks, depending on the format. (Though, I believe Brady Bunch did it first with the measles, which at that time was also seen in much the same way as chicken pox by the general public.)
In today's instant access internet society, this may all seem crazy - but remember, it wasn't that long ago that humans didn't spend big chunks of their day reading data online, and mostly relied on what they had been told growing up.
All News when Omicron came out made it out to be much easier to catch than Delta but forgot the part about it being milder. Bad news gets clicks.
A tantalizing clue to why omicron is spreading so quickly
A new study from the University of Hong Kong offers preliminary information that could explain why this new coronavirus variant may be more transmissible.
www.npr.org
Omicron is spreading faster than any other Covid variant, WHO warns
"The reality is that omicron is probably in most countries, even if it hasn't been detected yet," Tedros said.
www.cnbc.com
America Is Not Ready for Omicron
The new variant poses a far graver threat at the collective level than the individual one—the kind of test that the U.S. has repeatedly failed.
www.theatlantic.com
So NPR, CNBC, and the Atlantic are not responsible news sources? There also are stories from CNN, Fox, and MSNBC also. I can give you twenty more stories if you like.
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You read it like that and I didn't see my above post. IMHO no admin is responsible to for anything but the worst possible scenario sells in the media. Maybe I am off. I just got my booster and I feel like death. My buddy Jack is helping.
Heppenheimer
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I see no "we're all going to die" sensationalism in any of those articles. I just see responsible journalism.All News when Omicron came out made it out to be much easier to catch than Delta but forgot the part about it being milder. Bad news gets clicks.
A tantalizing clue to why omicron is spreading so quickly
A new study from the University of Hong Kong offers preliminary information that could explain why this new coronavirus variant may be more transmissible.
Omicron is spreading faster than any other Covid variant, WHO warns
"The reality is that omicron is probably in most countries, even if it hasn't been detected yet," Tedros said.
America Is Not Ready for Omicron
The new variant poses a far graver threat at the collective level than the individual one—the kind of test that the U.S. has repeatedly failed.
So NPR, CNBC, and the Atlantic are not responsible news sources? There also are stories from CNN, Fox, and MSNBC also. I can give you twenty more stories if you like.
Heppenheimer
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Btw, this whole chickenpox sidebar began because our resident contrarian subtly implied that because some people formerly purposefully let their children catch chickenpox that we should do the same for omicron.
FutureCEO
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The side effects will pass. My booster was a non event. The second Moderna shot side effects were strong but nothing like my recent side effects from the first Shirgrix shingles shot , shot#2 scheduled in Feb, that made me felt like going through a 15 round boxing fight.
The incentives could be better to roll up sleeves instead of $100, free mary jane, or a glazed donut everyday of 2021 ( Krispy Kreme ) , etc .
Nubs70
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Only after consultation with one's personal physician.
lazyboy97o
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No competent physician is going to tell someone to go get COVID in the hope that they get a mild infection.
Timmay
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I think the issue has more to do with headlines, at least for me. When stories of omicron are headlined by “Omicron tears through (insert location here)” or “Omicron rages around the world” that tends to create some undue fear…and in fact is sensationalism because media knows the majority don’t read past a headline and the first paragraph. There’s nothing responsible about that.
DisneyFan32
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New Jersey Gov. Murphy blasted for Costa Rica travel as COVID-19 omicron variant surges
New Jersey Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy phoned into President Biden's governors meeting on COVID-19 from Costa Rica on Monday as cases surge in his own state.
www.foxnews.com
This is not good for him.
DisneyDebRob
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On a side note, shingles is brutal. If over 50 please get the shot. You do not want to go through that.
Agreed. My friend got it at age 53, had skin pains lasting 3 months. He regrets not getting the vaccine last year.
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