Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Because (most) younger people are not going to care.
You people are old and forget what it was like to be young.
You're seeing this from your old, panicked perspective.
I am old, but do not forget.
There is only a certain portion of younger people you are going to convince to get a shot for the benefit of OTHER people.
I know damned well, that if I were say - 24 - and as healthy as I was then (I'm still healthy, but 58 now) there is now reason I would get a covid shot, just like I wouldn't get any other shot to protect me from something that I had a negligible risk of ill effects or death from.
I never got flu shots back then.
Would I have gotten one if I were told to get one to help the general population, even though I myself were at virtually no risk?
No.
Of course, no one else here will admit that they would have been the same way.
Everyone on here is wonderful.

Last I check I'm not old and I think you're a fool to try to pigeon hole people that much. I cannot tell you how many young ones I helped find shots. Those who didn't have parents who feel the same often. Not being vaccinated for the flu isn't too bright either IMO in many young adult settings. I've been doing it since I was a teen and my mom was actively dying of cancer. So yes, as a kid I knew full well shots could keep others from dying prematurely. So no, I don't forget why I vaccinated and why I never stopped for flu. I'm younger than you and know that all vaccines help others not spread.

All this doesn't matter much for college kids as many require it as a condition of admission.

 

[JoeCamel]

I’m starting to wonder? I was just looking at vaccinated data and in every age group fully
vaccinated lags behind one dose by around 10-15%.

Makes me wonder if there’s that many uninformed people that think one dose was all they need. They clearly aren’t anti-vax because they got the first dose, something is preventing them from returning though.

If it was 1-2% I’d say laziness but 10-15% seems more like uninformed.

I wouldn't assign too much weight to the individual numbers. The reporting and record keeping is poor and like testing no structure was put in place to assure exactitude

 

[LittleBuford]

So I don't need another booster shot after six months (since October 2021). I might to wait until Fall 2022? Why COVID-19 pandemic would ending soon and mask mandate will be gone for good.

Please don’t seek or take any medical advice from people here. Ask and listen to your doctor.

Again, we will get through this!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Only 58% of 18-24 year olds are vaccinated, as age decreases so does the the percent vaccinated. It’s a safe assumption that’s based solely on a personal risk assessment.

Sadly only 20% of 5-12 year olds have received a single dose despite being approved nearly 2 months ago, that seems to indicate parents (including many who are vaccinated) have decided the risk to their children doesn’t justify the shot.

Please don’t seek or take any medical advice from people here. Ask and listen to your doctor.

Again, we will get through this!

The best advice I’ve ever read on this forum!

 

[LittleBuford]

You make an assumption that everyone will get it, not true but if no one does anything it probably is.

Based on what I’ve been reading (including the hospital update shared by @Heppenheimer yesterday), I believe everyone will eventually get it, but that doesn’t mean we should just throw our hands up in the air and “move on” as the other poster suggested. We should continue to do all we can to slow the spread and mitigate its effects.

 

[DisneyCane]

I wouldn't assign too much weight to the individual numbers. The reporting and record keeping is poor and like testing no structure was put in place to assure exactitude

From the CDC:

When possible, CDC links a person’s first, second, and booster doses together. However, linking is sometimes not possible because CDC does not receive personally identifiable information about vaccine doses. This can lead to over-estimates of first doses and under-estimates of subsequent doses. CDC encourages people to bring their CDC COVID-19 Vaccination Record card with them to their appointment for another COVID-19 vaccine shot because having the card will help ensure the doses are linked. Learn more about how CDC estimates vaccination coverage in the footnotes of this page.

 

[mmascari]

Sadly only 20% of 5-12 year olds have received a single dose despite being approved nearly 2 months ago, that seems to indicate parents (including many who are vaccinated) have decided the risk to their children doesn’t justify the shot.

OMG, we've already arrived at the Idiocracy movie world. Clearly those who are anti-vax simply have more kids than those who vaccinate. It's the movie playing out in real time.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The pills are incredibly expensive. They’re not going to go to places without vaccine access.

Is it strictly a cost issue, or also a supply issue? I haven't kept up on the global rollout and which is the driving factor.

Wealthier countries have committed to sharing vaccines, but it has always been on the basis of them vaccinating their citizens first.

So I can see a scenario where those pills are shared with places that have an immediate need for them.

 

[LittleBuford]

Humans have a tendency to instantly think anyone who disagrees with their beliefs/decisions/politics must be stupid.

This is a big part of the reason our country is so divided, rather than respecting others viewpoints and trying to find common ground we simply view them as inferior.

That said… not getting a vaccine is stupid.

I distinguish between respecting individuals I disagree with and respecting their views. If those views are based on ignorance, mis- or disinformation, or prejudice, I do not consider them valid or worthy of respect. I certainly think we need to challenge such opinions, but we should (and can) do so without forgetting the humanity of those who hold them.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Only 58% of 18-24 year olds are vaccinated, as age decreases so does the the percent vaccinated. It’s a safe assumption that’s based solely on a personal risk assessment.

Sadly only 20% of 5-12 year olds have received a single dose despite being approved nearly 2 months ago, that seems to indicate parents (including many who are vaccinated) have decided the risk to their children doesn’t justify the shot.



The best advice I’ve ever read on this forum!

I can certainly understand why some parents would take a wait-and-see approach with their younger kids. The odds are that there won't be any serious side effects, but some parents are surely saying, "Let's see how it goes after 2-3 months and then get them their shots if it all looks good then." I do know some people with kids in that 5-12 age group whose kids begged for the vaccine because their friends at school all got it, so it's certainly not a lost cause. And there may come a time where school districts start requiring it, which will lead to more kids getting them.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[carolina_yankee]

CDC: Wear masks to reduce risk of COVID
Too many in the General Public: Nope

CDC: Don't travel to reduce risk of COVID
Too many in the General Public: Nope

CDC: Avoid large gatherings with people of unknown vaccine status
Too many in the General Public: Nope

CDC: If you've been exposed, isolate.
Too many in the General Public: Nope.

CDC: Get vaccinated to reduce risk of COVID
Too many in the General Public: Nope

Yep, it's the CDC's fault.

I do hold the government responsible for a poor testing infrastructure, which is vital. Nobody should have to wait a day even to get tested. However, I don't think it's so much incompetence as it is that the the government is made up of people from general public and the general public has its collective head in the sand.

The resistance to taking precautions comes down to the argument from the resisters "It's not as bad as they think it is." Yet, COVID keeps slapping us around and creating chaos.

I don't think a single thing needs to close. I don't think we need a shutdown. However, I do think it's time for vaccination mandates and proof of vaccination (with testing as an alternative) for any public visit.

Will it stop the threat? No. But it will create a greater level of safety than currently exists.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It’s fascinating watching what’s happening in the NHL right now, over 99.5% of the league/coaches/personnel are vaccinated but currently over 15% are in Covid protocols.

I can’t find a single article pointing to anyone in the hospital though (not even the older coaches and support staff) so Omicron is breaking through the vaccinations but they seem to be holding up against severe cases.

 

[JoeCamel]

So finally the powers that be will send out tests. 500M to be distributed!
Maybe we can bring the pandemic picture into focus and use some focused measures to kill it

 

[GimpYancIent]

So finally the powers that be will send out tests. 500M to be distributed!
Maybe we can bring the pandemic picture into focus and use some focused measures to kill it

Remind me, how these tests are going to stop the illness?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Remind me, how these tests are going to stop the illness?

Even if you’re asymptomatic you know and can isolate.

I take my temp every morning with a digital thermometer before going out. Far from foolproof but every little bit helps.

 

[JoeCamel]

Remind me, how these tests are going to stop the illness?

Identify where, who and when.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Even if you’re asymptomatic you know and can isolate.

I take my temp every morning with a digital thermometer before going out. Far from foolproof but every little bit helps.

If I do not feel well, I stay clear of others to not pass it onto others. A standard behavior I practiced long before COVID19 came on to the scene. Don't need a test to confirm that I am not feeling well.

 

[LittleBuford]

Remind me, how these tests are going to stop the illness?

One of the biggest (and best) differences I’ve noticed here in London is the ready availability of free home tests. They’re easy to use and give you a result within half an hour. I’ve been visiting my elderly grandmother during my stay, and I always take a test before doing so. While there’s always a chance of a false negative (particularly for those who are asymptomatic), such tests provide an added safeguard, and I’m thrilled to hear they’re soon going to be widely available in the US.

 

[networkpro]

OMG, we've already arrived at the Idiocracy movie world. Clearly those who are anti-vax simply have more kids than those who vaccinate. It's the movie playing out in real time.

It's been a theme way before the movie came out. In fact if you read The Marching Morons by Cyril M. Kornbluth published in 1951, you'll see a lot of the themes from the movie. The only thing missing is the impact of Anti-Social Media.