Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Epcotfan21]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

 

[Andrew C]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

hah. We didn't?

Really unfortunate, but predictable.

 

[Nubs70]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

It's been building for the last 3 weeks. Started about the same time furnaces got turned on.

 

[DisneyCane]

Last I understood white coats for doctors are not so much PPE but a visual reminder that someone is a doctor. Please @Heppenheimer correct me if my medical loved ones have given a false impression of that. I mean I go into visit my or my kids' doctor or and they will have one on and nothing PPE about it when some visits are well checks.

Lab coats in a lab are different. Anyway she was level headed and I appreciated that. I wanted to know what was going on in our state and she gave facts. After she was run out, i stopped listening to press conferences as I could tell the catering to the gov took over. Which honestly I don't appreciate that as he's our gov. not a medical person.

I share your understanding that the white coat is basically a doctor's uniform. The white seems to come from a desire to project a sanitary image kind of like how White Castle was trying to project an image of safe food handling. It's definitely not PPE. My wife has only ever worn a white coat for a few presentations. Her normal attire is scrubs that can be easily changed frequently and are laundered by the hospital.

 

[Epcotfan21]

hah. We didn't?

Really unfortunate, but predictable.

Yep.

 

[DisneyCane]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

hah. We didn't?

Really unfortunate, but predictable.

It's been building for the last 3 weeks.

Yet when I posted similar stats it meant I was an anti-vax hoaxer! I guess what has been happening in Vermont is actually really happening now that it's been published by a media source.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

We did see it coming (although we hoped for a better outcome anyway). We saw how out of control Florida was despite having not terrible vaccination numbers. We've been virtually begging the unvaccinated for months to take the shot. We've known that we need upwards of 90% or more of a given population to be fully vaccinated to keep spread under control, and without kids fully on-board, no part of the US is at that point yet.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yet when I posted similar stats it meant I was an anti-vax hoaxer! I guess what has been happening in Vermont is actually really happening now that it's been published by a media source.

Vermont has a total of 53 people hospitalized with COVID in the state as of right now, and it never went higher than the mid 60s. Not good for a small state, but not exactly catastrophic either.

We're having more of a problem with lack of in-patient nurses right now, which has put a limit on our usual hospital capacity. This was an indirect effect of the pandemic in general.

 

[Kevin_W]

Last I understood white coats for doctors are not so much PPE but a visual reminder that someone is a doctor. Please @Heppenheimer correct me if my medical loved ones have given a false impression of that. I mean I go into visit my or my kids' doctor or and they will have one on and nothing PPE about it when some visits are well checks.

Lab coats in a lab are different. Anyway she was level headed and I appreciated that. I wanted to know what was going on in our state and she gave facts. After she was run out, i stopped listening to press conferences as I could tell the catering to the gov took over. Which honestly I don't appreciate that as he's our gov. not a medical person.

So you are saying it is a costume - that still bugs me that someone would feel the need for a costume in a press conference. (And certainly the original intention of the coat - hence the "lab" in the word "lab coat") was for actual usage.

Nevertheless, as I said this is very minor and probable just something I get hung up on. I agree she was levelheaded, though I think (like the criticism of Fauci) she sometimes projected a false confidence in data that was not yet well-established.

 

[correcaminos]

So you are saying it is a costume - that still bugs me that someone would feel the need for a costume in a press conference. (And certainly the original intention of the coat - hence the "lab" in the word "lab coat") was for actual usage.

Nevertheless, as I said this is very minor and probable just something I get hung up on. I agree she was levelheaded, though I think (like the criticism of Fauci) she sometimes projected a false confidence in data that was not yet well-established.

I'm saying it is a uniform. I know many doctors who wear them when not needed. It's a way to visually state someone is a doctor. Honestly as sad as it is, some will assume they aren't doctor without them. We're talking Ohio people - which some are not the brightest fish in the sea and try to disprove anything.

I didn't get the false confidence from her though. There was a lot of "based on what we know" and data compiled. Were projections wrong? Yes, but they all were at the time. It was utterly embarrassing how people treated her. ETA: I didn't always like what she said but I respected her for her calming sense and trying to stick to what we knew.

 

[Disney Dead Head]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

Such Horrible reporting. 83% of what? 65% or what? percentage don't mean anything more then a way to scare you. What are the #'s attached to the %

 

[mmascari]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

Are there actually any states with high vaccination rates?

I know there are states with higher than other states vaccination rates. But, are any of them actually "high" on a absolute vs comparative measure?

 

[mmascari]

Last I understood white coats for doctors are not so much PPE but a visual reminder that someone is a doctor. Please @Heppenheimer correct me if my medical loved ones have given a false impression of that. I mean I go into visit my or my kids' doctor or and they will have one on and nothing PPE about it when some visits are well checks.

I'm saying it is a uniform. I know many doctors who wear them when not needed. It's a way to visually state someone is a doctor. Honestly as sad as it is, some will assume they aren't doctor without them. We're talking Ohio people - which some are not the brightest fish in the sea and try to disprove anything.

Don't forget the length of the lab coat. How else would you know an intern, resident, fellow, attending apart if the lab coat didn't get longer each time.

Plus, they have those really big pockets. Need someplace for your Sanford Guide. If Apple is to be believed, for you iPad mini too. An especially important issue for women whose clothes never seem to have pockets. Not like you see men doctors wearing cargo pants either.

(Clearly in jest, but I bet @Heppenheimer has some stories of older colleagues where it wasn't.)

 

[Heppenheimer]

The tempearture seems to have increased here again. Time again for some puppy love. Here are my girls, ages 7 years and 7 months.

 

[DisneyCane]

Are there actually any states with high vaccination rates?

I know there are states with higher than other states vaccination rates. But, are any of them actually "high" on a absolute vs comparative measure?

VT, ME, MA, RI and CT all have over 80% of the eligible population fully vaccinated. Them plus NH, PA and NJ are over 90% eligible with at least one dose. I'd say all of those are high on an absolute measure.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why COVID cases are surging in states with high vaccination rates — and what it means for the winter ahead

Coronavirus cases are surging in several U.S. states with relatively high vaccination rates, prompting concern among health officials who had hoped inoculations would help curb the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.yahoo.com

Crazy. No one saw this coming to Northern states...

The highest vaccinated states still have 20-30% of teens and adult unvaccinated.

Add to that still sizable population a more contagious variant, and you get this...

The current waves are a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And there is still a sizable number of them in every state. Imagine what that graph would look like if vaccination wasn't 70%, but 95%.

So... not surprising at all that the unvaccinated are catching and suffering from a super-charged COVID anywhere and everywhere.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Vermont has a total of 53 people hospitalized with COVID in the state as of right now, and it never went higher than the mid 60s. Not good for a small state, but not exactly catastrophic either.

We're having more of a problem with lack of in-patient nurses right now, which has put a limit on our usual hospital capacity. This was an indirect effect of the pandemic in general.

Yup. Let’s see how high cases actually spike and, more importantly, how much severe illness increases before folks trying to downplay the Florida situation take a morbid victory lap. That article puts a big emphasis on percentages which don’t tell us much in a vacuum. And let’s also acknowledge that even Vermont doesn’t have the vaccination rate we’d hope for.

 

[mmascari]

VT, ME, MA, RI and CT all have over 80% of the eligible population fully vaccinated. Them plus NH, PA and NJ are over 90% eligible with at least one dose. I'd say all of those are high on an absolute measure.

High of eligible. But, is that still 12+ or updated for 5+ now?

If it's 5+, then why is the "of population" so much lower?

The only value that matters concerning reducing spread is "of population fully vaccinated". Anything else is a feel good number to show progress but not really getting to the tipping point.

While I'll believe that 3 and 4 year olds aren't out socializing all the time. Their daycare are still hives of infectious spread. For a 9 year old, they're out enough to cause plenty of infectious spread.

When we have a state that's over 85% of population fully vaccinated, then I'll agree we have a state that's high on an absolute scale.

My county is 91.9% over 12, with 78% of population, getting very close to high, but in a state that's 77.8% over 12 and 66.5% of population. If we built a wall and had county boarder instead of a state, we'll probably be high in 7 weeks. Alas, we're part of a state, and 66.5% isn't likely going to get to 85% even in 7 weeks. Which is an unfortunate choice, it's clearly possible that it could.

 

[dreday3]

Just update for booster - my work (Hospital) is giving to all employees. I work with doctors, but not patients. They said I can get one anyways...so I am! Moderna booster on 12/1. And my guy was offered one through the VA, so he's getting Pfizer booster day after me.

Here's Walnut just because:

 

[mmascari]

The current waves are a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Waves so large that they're pulling in more and more vaccinated at the reduced rate.

If we looked at just the vaccinated graph without the unvaccinated line pushing the scale of the vertical access. Would anyone say that the vaccinated graph looks good all by itself against the absolute number of daily cases and daily deaths?

If we had 95% vaccinated, effectively everybody, and only had the vaccinated line on the graph at this current value. Would people call that a success or a failure of the vaccine to do it's job?

Of course, in reality with the vaccine effectiveness, if we had had 95% vaccinated, the vaccinated line on the graph wouldn't be the current value, it would be way down since the unvaccinated would not be pulling it up.