Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Fauci doesn't even work for the CDC. The face of the CDC today is Dr. Rochelle Walensky. And she's on TV all the time. Fauci is over at the NIH. He's not directly involved in the policymaking of either the FDA or the CDC.

My mistake, NIH rather than CDC, either way he’s the Presidents advisor and spokesman when it comes to national health issues.

 

[DisneyCane]

Being consistent isn't always the best way to be either. I've ticked off enough people here with my comments because I tend to be a move with the flow person. I've been accused of not caring and being too strict with measures.

I'm asking this sincerely, why does Fauci matter so much? He's pretty much just a figurehead. The real data comes elsewhere.

Had a busier afternoon packing but from earlier March was possibly different here. A couple days after that quote everything shut down. People were going crazy stockpiling and such before hand. So I do view it different.

As @Vegas Disney Fan said, it's because he is essentially the national spokesperson on COVID and many people take his opinion as gospel. He is a key advisor to the President and that leads to policies like masks being required on aircraft.

Whether he is important with respect to WDW policies, I don't know because Disney refuses to publicly state the rationale behind their policies.

 

[JoeCamel]

As @Vegas Disney Fan said, it's because he is essentially the national spokesperson on COVID and many people take his opinion as gospel. He is a key advisor to the President and that leads to policies like masks being required on aircraft.

Whether he is important with respect to WDW policies, I don't know because Disney refuses to publicly state the rationale behind their policies.

Did you ask?

 

[DisneyCane]

His job is to say “based on what we currently know…the data says ____”

and he says it all the damn day.

No. What he does is before there is any data he makes up an answer that sounds confident and authoritative based on his opinion. Then, after the data contradicts what he said before he says "based on what we currently know."

You keep ignoring his quote that I posted about AIDS. There was nothing that indicated it spread by casual household contact at that time. Never a shred of evidence yet he gave a confident sounding answer that it was a possibility. A year later he unequivocally stated "based on the data" that spread was not possible from that type of contact.

It's the same exact pattern with COVID.

At the beginning of COVID he should have just said that we don't know much and out of an abundance of caution we should do x, y and z until we can get more data. Instead, he made it sound like if we lock down for a few weeks we will definitely stop COVID from spreading.

He's just as much of a narcissist as the other guy you like so much. He is clearly enjoying being in the spotlight after a career where only people in the public health community really knew where he was.

 

[DisneyCane]

Did you ask?

I'm not a member of the media nor do I have contacts within Disney. They are obviously well aware that people want to know because we know they monitor forums and social media. Yet, they have stayed silent.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No. What he does is before there is any data he makes up an answer that sounds confident and authoritative based on his opinion. Then, after the data contradicts what he said before he says "based on what we currently know."

You keep ignoring his quote that I posted about AIDS. There was nothing that indicated it spread by casual household contact at that time. Never a shred of evidence yet he gave a confident sounding answer that it was a possibility. A year later he unequivocally stated "based on the data" that spread was not possible from that type of contact.

It's the same exact pattern with COVID.

At the beginning of COVID he should have just said that we don't know much and out of an abundance of caution we should do x, y and z until we can get more data. Instead, he made it sound like if we lock down for a few weeks we will definitely stop COVID from spreading.

He's just as much of a narcissist as the other guy you like so much. He is clearly enjoying being in the spotlight after a career where only people in the public health community really knew where he was.

That’s because his job is to use his experience/instincts to make assessment. It changes with data because officials look for direction in real time.

just stop with the clowning/trolling. I’m going to kindly remind (for the 50th time): if you’re wrong, but the last one talking…it doesn’t make you “right”.

fauci fights…keep watching cable, dude

 

[DisneyCane]

That’s because his job is to use his experience/instincts to make assessment. It changes with data because officials look for direction in real time.

just stop with the clowning/trolling. I’m going to kindly remind (for the 50th time): if you’re wrong, but the last one talking…it doesn’t make you “right”.

fauci fights…keep watching cable, dude

I'm not clowing/trolling. Apparently his instincts aren't very good based on how often he is wrong and changes his opinion based on the eventual data. If that's his job then he's not very good at it.

I haven't watched a single cable news show in at least 3 years except for the Coronavirus Task Force press conferences because I found them entertaining.

 

[correcaminos]

As @Vegas Disney Fan said, it's because he is essentially the national spokesperson on COVID and many people take his opinion as gospel. He is a key advisor to the President and that leads to policies like masks being required on aircraft.

Whether he is important with respect to WDW policies, I don't know because Disney refuses to publicly state the rationale behind their policies.

Because he’s the “face” of the CDC and the CDC are the experts we look to for guidance.

I still think Biden should have asked someone else to step up as the CDC spokesperson, not because Fauci was bad but because so many people don’t trust him and feel he’s too political. A fresh face, without a year and a half of changing recommendations with new discoveries, may resonate better.

I am not saying this to be mean, so take with a kind tone totally. Guess who I never listen to? I asked this to simply say, you can ignore him. When this whole fiasco started I never listened much to anyone but our local Dr. Acton who was quite literally run out by covid hoax believers. I follow guidance and what many medical people say.

If you don't like him, don't listen. Trust me, less take his words for gospel than you think. Just saying that he's not the one calling the shots. He's a face, not a ruler really. JMO of course.

 

[Nubs70]

That’s because his job is to use his experience/instincts to make assessment. It changes with data because officials look for direction in real time.

just stop with the clowning/trolling. I’m going to kindly remind (for the 50th time): if you’re wrong, but the last one talking…it doesn’t make you “right”.

fauci fights…keep watching cable, dude

These are the same instincts he used with AIDS and Bactrim. If Fauci followed clinical evidence thousands of lives may have been saved. Fauci stated that Bactrim was an untested, unproven, potentially dangerous treatment and should not be used.

Sound familiar?

Fauci has lost credibility

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

These are the same instincts he used with AIDS and Bactrim. If Fauci followed clinical evidence thousands of lives may have been saved. Fauci stated that Bactrim was an untested, unproven, potentially dangerous treatment and should not be used.

Sound familiar?

Fauci has lost credibility

Fauci fights are so low rent…so many people who don’t know…and would never try…
Give no credit to those that go into the unknown

blowhards that post clickbait and on stations with “dye-a-beet-us” ads to make money…

what an awful level of social decay

 

[Nubs70]

Fauci ignores clinical evidence.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I'm not clowing/trolling. Apparently his instincts aren't very good based on how often he is wrong and changes his opinion based on the eventual data. If that's his job then he's not very good at it.

I haven't watched a single cable news show in at least 3 years except for the Coronavirus Task Force press conferences because I found them entertaining.

I'm a physician. Do you know how often I'm wrong on my initial opinion? Often, but as all physicians are trained to do, including Dr. Fauci, we continually evaluate and reassess new information as it presents. Diseases and patients don't follow a predefined set of instructions when the get sick, otherwise, medicine would simply be like following a cookbook. We leave open the possibility that our initial impression might be wrong, that's why we mentally formulate a differential diagnosis and have alternative testing and treatments lined up if the initial lead doesn't pan out.

That's how medicine works, both on the individual and the macro level. Most people on here seem to understand that except you. Or can you just not let it die because you don't like masks?

 

[GimpYancIent]

I'm a physician. Do you know how often I'm wrong on my initial opinion? Often, but as all physicians are trained to do, including Dr. Fauci, we continually evaluate and reassess new information as it presents. Diseases and patients don't follow a predefined set of instructions when the get sick, otherwise, medicine would simply be like following a cookbook. We leave open the possibility that our initial impression might be wrong, that's why we mentally formulate a differential diagnosis and have alternative testing and treatments lined up if the initial lead doesn't pan out.

That's how medicine works, both on the individual and the macro level. Most people on here seem to understand that except you. Or can you just not let it die because you don't like masks?

Correct! That is why people should seek second and third opinions from different physicians before settling on an appropriate course of action to address serious conditions. The more a patient knows and understands is a good thing.

 

[Heppenheimer]

These are the same instincts he used with AIDS and Bactrim. If Fauci followed clinical evidence thousands of lives may have been saved. Fauci stated that Bactrim was an untested, unproven, potentially dangerous treatment and should not be used.

Sound familiar?

Fauci has lost credibility

And you have the story completely wrong yet again. That sounds familiar.

Before protease inhibitors hit the market, ACT-UP and other activists groups wanted every HIV+patient on bactrim prophylaxis indefinately, because Pneumocystis pneumoniae was the usual cause of death in AIDS patients, and this medication is the chief treatment. Fauci was against universal prophylaxis with bactrim, for multiple reasons, such as leading to antimicrobial resistance of Pneumocystis, sulfa allergies are fairly common, and the medication can cause harmful interactions with several other common medications.

The current guidelines only call for bactrim prophylaxis in AIDS patients with a CD4 count below a certain threshold, which is actually rather closer to Fauci's recommendations at the time.

This debate has become irrelevant now that we have a huge armament of HAART medications, and AIDS is now a very rare consequence of HIV infection in the US.

 

[Lilofan]

Correct! That is why people should seek second and third opinions from different physicians before settling on an appropriate course of action to address serious conditions. The more a patient knows and understands is a good thing.

That's easier said than done. Some on a limited budget may only go through their in network doctors including referral to a specialist covered by their insurance plan.

 

[Kevin_W]

I am not saying this to be mean, so take with a kind tone totally. Guess who I never listen to? I asked this to simply say, you can ignore him. When this whole fiasco started I never listened much to anyone but our local Dr. Acton who was quite literally run out by covid hoax believers. I follow guidance and what many medical people say.

I'm probably a minority, but I never really liked Acton (though agree she deserved to be treated better). It's a small pet peeve, but scientists/doctors who wear lab coats at press conferences really irritate me. Lab coats are a functional piece of PPE, not a costume. We wear lab coats all the time at my work, but are actually required to take them off when leaving the lab to reduce risk of contamination.

 

[Andrew C]

No. What he does is before there is any data he makes up an answer that sounds confident and authoritative based on his opinion. Then, after the data contradicts what he said before he says "based on what we currently know."

You keep ignoring his quote that I posted about AIDS. There was nothing that indicated it spread by casual household contact at that time. Never a shred of evidence yet he gave a confident sounding answer that it was a possibility. A year later he unequivocally stated "based on the data" that spread was not possible from that type of contact.

It's the same exact pattern with COVID.

At the beginning of COVID he should have just said that we don't know much and out of an abundance of caution we should do x, y and z until we can get more data. Instead, he made it sound like if we lock down for a few weeks we will definitely stop COVID from spreading.

He's just as much of a narcissist as the other guy you like so much. He is clearly enjoying being in the spotlight after a career where only people in the public health community really knew where he was.

It is hard to say this isn't a legit concern looking at the lack of trust we are dealing with. He is a part of that and he really only has himself to blame. I don't necessarily know if does it on purpose or realizes what he is doing, but how he goes about his business undermines his credibility. Too many times he gives an answer to questions where this is no way he can have an answer for. But he tries to give an answer anyways, but he is really just guessing. For some reason he cannot help himself to provide an answer to every single question. Sometimes, the answer is, we just don't know at this time. And his need to answer gets him into trouble down the road when we determine, based on gathered information, what he was saying was inaccurate. In these situations, it is not good enough to say the science as evolved. No, we just didn't originally know but he provided an answer anyways because he cannot let people he doesn't know. Way to many guesses to hypotheticals going on...he shouldn't be answering any hypotheticals.

His other issue, is misleading the public in certain situations, apparently for the greater good. And who knows except for him, but he genuinely could be misleading in certain instances due to this reason. The mask thing at the beginning, where he admitted he misled people intentionally. The percentage to get to herd immunity, where he admitted he adjusted this based on public opinion, etc. Misled about the gain of function research, where he continues to try to parse words even today (if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is likely to be a duck). Just admit what is obvious to the rest of us who are not desperate to paint everything you do as amazing. Maybe this all comes down to what got the former President into trouble. That "New York personality" some have where they always have to be right in order to continue to build their ego. Getting into narcissism, as some have mentioned.

Sometimes, people need to take responsibility for their own actions rather than looking outward to blame others for how they are perceived. In most circumstances, how you are perceived is your own doing. And if you are now hurting the effort more than you are helping, maybe it is time to take a step back and let someone else be the voice. Is Fauci at this moment now? Maybe...but his ego will never let him go that route.

 

[DisneyCane]

I'm a physician. Do you know how often I'm wrong on my initial opinion? Often, but as all physicians are trained to do, including Dr. Fauci, we continually evaluate and reassess new information as it presents. Diseases and patients don't follow a predefined set of instructions when the get sick, otherwise, medicine would simply be like following a cookbook. We leave open the possibility that our initial impression might be wrong, that's why we mentally formulate a differential diagnosis and have alternative testing and treatments lined up if the initial lead doesn't pan out.

That's how medicine works, both on the individual and the macro level. Most people on here seem to understand that except you. Or can you just not let it die because you don't like masks?

When you give your patients your initial opinion, do you give it to them in a way that makes them think you know exactly what the problem is and what treatment will work? That's what Fauci has done.

I'm guessing you tell your patients what you think the best course of action is and that you will re-evaluate after a period of time and adjust the treatment plan as necessary. That's NOT what Fauci has done.

And no, I don't like masks and there is no scientific rationale for fully vaccinated people to be required to wear them anywhere when combined with the fact that everybody who wishes to protect themselves with vaccines and even boosters who is 5 or older can do so now. Yet you won't hear Fauci say the transportation mask mandate should be dropped anytime soon. He'll probably double down on how important masks are because his unstated goal is an unrealistic COVID Zero state.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm probably a minority, but I never really liked Acton (though agree she deserved to be treated better). It's a small pet peeve, but scientists/doctors who wear lab coats at press conferences really irritate me. Lab coats are a functional piece of PPE, not a costume. We wear lab coats all the time at my work, but are actually required to take them off when leaving the lab to reduce risk of contamination.

Or some doctors I know walk to their cars with their stethoscope still on their necks. That's odd. Are they going to examine someone in their car?

 

[correcaminos]

I'm probably a minority, but I never really liked Acton (though agree she deserved to be treated better). It's a small pet peeve, but scientists/doctors who wear lab coats at press conferences really irritate me. Lab coats are a functional piece of PPE, not a costume. We wear lab coats all the time at my work, but are actually required to take them off when leaving the lab to reduce risk of contamination.

Last I understood white coats for doctors are not so much PPE but a visual reminder that someone is a doctor. Please @Heppenheimer correct me if my medical loved ones have given a false impression of that. I mean I go into visit my or my kids' doctor or and they will have one on and nothing PPE about it when some visits are well checks.

Lab coats in a lab are different. Anyway she was level headed and I appreciated that. I wanted to know what was going on in our state and she gave facts. After she was run out, i stopped listening to press conferences as I could tell the catering to the gov took over. Which honestly I don't appreciate that as he's our gov. not a medical person.