Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I hate to break it to you. But there's a Lunchables shortage too.

Not even kidding.
I know you are not joking! My kids love them (good for on the go situations) and we have issues finding the ones they like. I haven't been able to track down a bologna launchable at our grocery store in months. We do curbside grocery pickup, and they also have to replace the lunchables we select with another kind, or give us the same kind even when we asked for three different ones.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
I'm surprised hearing about shortages. So far here there hasn't been any. The only bad thing is our price of gas. It's almost $5.50 a gallon.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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There is no hidden reason if that's what you are getting at. I personally believe we should be in a good spot by then. With masks staying in place and the vaccine passport it should keep cases low. It's been working so far.

I just find it vague.

"We'll fully reopen if things are good. If things are not good, we won't re-open".

Kind of stating the obvious?

Most of the provincial plans released prior to this summer at least had some specific goals in terms of case counts and vaccination rates.

I also worry it's a case of history repeating itself. Things look good, restrictions lift, and then things get worse again.

My personal preference would be to keep vaccine passports in place for leisure locations indefinitely. Announcing that they'll be stopped means a lot of people will just wait it out, instead of getting vaccinated.
 

Jrb1979

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I just find it vague.

"We'll fully reopen if things are good. If things are not good, we won't re-open".

Kind of stating the obvious?

Most of the provincial plans released prior to this summer at least had some specific goals in terms of case counts and vaccination rates.

I also worry it's a case of history repeating itself. Things look good, restrictions lift, and then things get worse again.

My personal preference would be to keep vaccine passports in place for leisure locations indefinitely. Announcing that they'll be stopped means a lot of people will just wait it out, instead of getting vaccinated.
I don't think it will get that bad. They did say the expect to see 90% vaccinated including kids. The big difference this time is the majority are vaccinated.
 

Heppenheimer

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To change the subject (getting a little political here again)...

I'm doing my annual CME (at home on my computer, thanks to COVID). Some interesting tidbits about the disease du jour...

Ivermectin should never even have been a candidate for treatment. The original in vitro study from Austrialia showed that ivermectin inhibits viral growth at a concentration at or above 5 μM (they were basically tossing anything into test tubes to see what happened). The known safety limit for ivermectin's concentration in vivo is between 0.08-1.6 μM. So, to match the concentration at which ivermectin inhibited viral replication in vivo, patients would have needed to take up to 62 tablets of the medication 2-3 times a day. This is far beyond the therapeutic safety index of the drug.

The best study so far on the efficacy of vaccines versus prior infection at preventing future severe illness came from Singapore, Unfortunately, they only compared unvaccinated to those who had received one dose, but even here, the benefit of the vaccines in preventing death and hospitalization was about twice the prior infected but unvaccinated indviduals.

Treating early with monocloncal antibodies and the upcoming oral antivirals is important because there's really two stages to COVID infection. Most of the symptoms in the early stages are due to uncontrolled viral replication, whereas by the time the person becomes hypoxic (and thus needs to be hospitalized), most of the damage is being done by uncontrolled immune response. So, the medications used to reduce the viral load don't work late in the disease, and the medications used to blunt the inflammatory response have no benefit early. Even more reason why those hospitalized patients demanding ivermectin are really misplacing their hopes. Even if the medication did effectively and safely reduce viral loads, by the time they end up in the hospital, it's too late for this treatment strategy.

There is no reduction in initial viral load in a vaccinated person who is infected versus someone unvaccinated, but after 1-3 days, viral load rapidly declines compared to the unvaccinated.

Besides molnupiravir, there are several other oral medications on the way, all for treating the early viremic stage of the disease. Dexamethasone remains hospitalized patient's best chance, although trials of other, existing immunomodulators are in the pipeline.

We will likely need 95-98% vaccination rates to achieve herd immunity against the delta variant, unless by some miracle the virus burns itself out (not a scenario we should rely on).
 
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Touchdown

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Well I got offically boosted today. Due to a lack of shots in my area I also crossed over and got the Pfizer booster (after getting Moderna for my first two.) As I was already 9 months out from my second shot, I didn’t want to wait and besides here’s hoping it produces a larger variety of antibodies and not give me such bad side effects. Nearly 6 hours in I just have a sore arm (similar to Tetanus.)
 

hopemax

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Oh, I was going to post this earlier and didn't. I got a text message from the State of CO that it had been 6 months since I completed my primary vaccination series and I could visit their COVID-19 Vaccination Page for information regarding booster recommendations.
 

drizgirl

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It’s also possible that staffing issues will make this worse if vaccine mandates kick in for FedEx, UPS and DHL.
 
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