Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

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What are you talking about???

Look here is the other side, a NY Times article that has quotes from others that dispute what the NIH has now reported is actually an admission of gain-of-function research funding. On the flip side, it also puts a particular research group under the spotlight.


It is called being curious...
Here's a non-paywall link...

 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?

007mickey

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My answer is who cares. It's here, it's more important to deal with it and move on.
Ticket prices are going up - "who cares, deal with it and move on"
Resort prices are increasing - "who cares, deal with it and move on"
Magical express is gone, you'll have to pay someone for that now - "who cares, deal with it and move on"
Fastpasses are gone and now we charge for that - "who cares, deal with it and move on"
We might have accidentally created covid - "who cares, deal with it and move on"

Disney and the government agree with you.
 

Heppenheimer

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The source is the NIH. Soo…
Fox News reported it as well but I didnt want some people to cry about someone posting a Fox News article. 😂

anyways, I posted it without comment so people can make up their own minds about how to take this news.
The source is "someone" within the NIH whose credentials we don't know, brought forward and being framed in a certain way by a rather partisan member of Congress. There might be something there, there might not. I'll wait and see.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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The source is "someone" within the NIH whose credentials we don't know, brought forward and being framed in a certain way by a rather partisan member of Congress. There might be something there, there might not. I'll wait and see.
Yes, and because of that, every headline that begins with something like "The NIH Admits..." is a big ol' lie, because there is no statement from the NIH about that one document.
 
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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
The source is "someone" within the NIH whose credentials we don't know, brought forward and being framed in a certain way by a rather partisan member of Congress. There might be something there, there might not. I'll wait and see.
The source is the NIH principal deputy director, who sent a letter to a member of Congress. I guess his letter can be interpreted in different ways? Seems relatively obvious to me...
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Keep that in mind the next time people link to Yahoo News or the NY Post.
You mean like the time that a NY Post story was taken off social media and ignored by the mainstream media, only months later to be called out as accurate, at which time other news agencies finally picked up on it?

Yeah, I am done listening to other people as to whether I can take information from particular sources seriously. I will make my own judgments. Others should make their own as well and do additional research if necessary.
 

hopemax

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I care. I care that an official told Congress that we were not funding gain of function research, only to find out by the NIH that we actually did (maybe inadvertently, but it happened). It is another blow to trust. And makes me wonder what else we are funding.
We are a world super power. We're obviously funding research for a lot of stuff we would be willing to obfuscate under the guise of "national security" and avoid tipping the US' hand of what we know and what we can and can't do. The idea that government officials are going to openly talk about such things, even when asked by Congress is naïve. In another set of circumstances, people would decree the lack of participation in such research as dereliction of duty in the protection of the United States and her citizens because you know bad actors are doing it, so the US needs to do it too. Also, is it news to anyone that there likely was lack of oversite into how approved funding actually gets used and if everyone is strictly following the rules? As they say, "No one wants to know how the sausage gets made," leading to a dance of sorts up until someone decides to break off the dance to use it as a hammer against a political opponent. And it's never consistently applied the "what did they know, and when did they know it?" question. Fauci and others are going to be ripped to shreds by certain elements over something that might cross the threshold of GAF while simultaneously downplaying the events of Jan 6th. I swear, anytime something significant happens regarding that event, the "it was a lab leak!" contingent gets press.

And there is still a huge chasm between connecting SARS-CoV-2 to something that humans can actually capably accomplish through genetic manipulation. Or this experiment in question to SARS-CoV-2. There is way too much "we know people made it to step 15 in a process, and they weren't 100% transparent and truthful about it so that obviously means that the Chinese can do step 154." It's like seeing the Wright brothers flew across a field and then expecting a low earth orbit flight a decade later, as if there wasn't another 100 years of necessary progression to get from Point A to Point Z.

People want to wind themselves up about shadow conspiracies as if it were an episode of the X-Files, knock themselves out. Just don't expect me to take much of what else they say seriously without a lot more serious dot connecting with evidence and a demonstration of the logistical possibilities and not just imaginative speculation that also just happens to trash your political adversaries.
 

BrianLo

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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
The idea that government officials are going to openly talk about such things, even when asked by Congress is naïve.
Expect it was talked about openly, and they said we did not fund gain-of-function research. And that has been repeatedly called into question, even more so now with this new letter. He didn't say, "I cannot talk about that directly." He said "no" repeatedly. So...we will see where this goes, if anywhere.
Personally, I just want to know what the heck was going on in this lab, and what we knew, and how we were involved. Given that the lab is controlled by China, much of that may never be answered. But it would be nice to know, IMO
 

seascape

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Today according to the Miami Herald Florida dropped to an average of 2,090 cases a day. That means Florida has broken 10 and is now at 9.73 cases per 100k. That is progress but the problem will not be over until all 50 states and DC are under 5 cases per 100k and no state is there yet but at least 2 states are now under 10.
 

Tom P.

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The idea that government officials are going to openly talk about such things, even when asked by Congress is naïve.
If the head of the CIA were asked about an intelligence operation, I would expect him to refuse to discuss it openly, even in front of a Congressional committee. But the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases? Damn straight I expect him to provide full, complete, and honest information to Congress when requested. And the American people should expect the same. Members of Congress, love them or hate them, are our elected representatives. The career officials at the NIH are not. The latter is answerable to the former. They don't get to decide otherwise.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I’m not speaking directly about Covid, just unions in general. If it’s not in the contract it’s their job to fight for their members until an agreement is reached and put in the contract.

Is the implication here that they have to fight to oppose a vaccine mandate, until such time terms are agreed to?

My union went as far as to get legal advice but determined the employer has the right in this case. In the midst of a pandemic it's not realistic to hold off on such action until the next contract is up.

Besides, the overwhelming majority of members want a vaccine requirement in the workplace. Opposing it would be working against the desires of the membership.
 

Bob Harlem

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Hospitalization officially under 2020 levels again, enough for the Florida Hospital Association to call the Delta wave over for Florida!



Article about the declaration of surge over: https://web.fha.org/news/NewsArticleDisplay.aspx?articleid=89
“While COVID-19 remains a concern, the summer Delta surge in Florida is over,” said Mary C. Mayhew, President and CEO, Florida Hospital Association. “Our state’s recovery would not have been possible without the tremendous work of our doctors, nurses, and hospital staff who worked around the clock."...

Editor’s Note: The Florida Hospital Association will discontinue posting daily updates of COVID-19 data on social media. Posts will resume in the future as events warrant.
 
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Wendy Pleakley

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In some good news, Ontario has put in place the plan to have all restrictions lifted by March of next year.

"In the absence of concerning trends" per the infographic released. They have also stated it's subject to change based on the usual criteria of case numbers, hospitalizations, etc.

So, still subject to change and pretty arbitrary. As if anyone can predict what COVID will still look like in March 2022.

Sounds kind of hypothetical to me at this point. Hmmm, could there be a reason they're making vague promises?
 

Jrb1979

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"In the absence of concerning trends" per the infographic released. They have also stated it's subject to change based on the usual criteria of case numbers, hospitalizations, etc.

So, still subject to change and pretty arbitrary. As if anyone can predict what COVID will still look like in March 2022.

Sounds kind of hypothetical to me at this point. Hmmm, could there be a reason they're making vague promises?
There is no hidden reason if that's what you are getting at. I personally believe we should be in a good spot by then. With masks staying in place and the vaccine passport it should keep cases low. It's been working so far.
 
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