hopefully they drop the SOE and Disney drops the indoor masks
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hopefully they drop the SOE and Disney drops the indoor masks
Tony the Tigger
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I have asthma, and I’m married to a type I diabetic. We’re both 50.
That’s way too broad a generalization which ignores far too many variables.
I don’t know why anyone would “hope” for that. It didn’t go so well the last time. Are we incapable of learning or just too self-centered to care?
DisneyCane
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I'd definitely say you and your spouse are high risk. I was curious because you seemed very eager to get a booster. Now it makes sense and also explains your other precautions like requiring masks in your business.
That was kind of my point on the variables. It isn't as simple as everybody needs to get vaccinated and everything is back to normal.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’m on the fence on the booster still, I’m (relatively) young and healthy but I work in a casino. Medically I’m not high risk but I’m in contact with hundreds of people a day which I believe makes me eligible. I had my 2nd Pfizer back in April so I’m at the 6 month mark, there’s so much information thrown at us between JJ, Moderna, and Pfizer I struggle to keep up with who needs what and whether it’s allowed or not.
Tom P.
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A perfectly valid choice for you to make. For me, having both had Covid and had the two-shot Moderna regimen, I'm going to hold off for now. As I said, I would like to see more studies done on the actual need for the boosters that go beyond simply measuring antibodies. I am comfortable with the level of protection I have at the moment and don't see an urgent need to rush the booster.
DisneyCane
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As far as your job I think it depends on if you spend a lot of time near each person you come into contact with. If you are a cashier in the cage you come into contact with a lot of people but for short duration. If you are a dealer then you are coming into contact with fewer people but for longer duration which would be higher risk.
As far as the need for the booster I'm pretty confused and need to really try and understand the studies and data. For the elderly it seems like the vaccine loses effectiveness vs. severe disease after a few months. For the young, non-immunocompromised people it seems like the protection against severe disease holds up but against infection it wanes.
danlb_2000
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It's not just a question of the length with each person, but the cumulative exposure to multiple infected people. If the contacts or short, but the person is coming in contact with 100's of people a day it would increase the risk.
correcaminos
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To me I think both you and @Tony the Tigger really do make sense. Each of us has to do what they feel safe doing. My spouse is relatively healthy but had allergy like induced asthma as a child (as in it suddenly disappeared after a move so no idea if it was environmentally driven). He's had Moderna. I'm not too pressed about him. Just like I am not too pressed about my kid with Pfizer at 13. If my sibling's partner who had Moderna but is more high risk wanted a booster, I support them. I support those who had bad reactions and are just done no matter what.
I don't think there is a totally right or wrong answer to this at all. I do think mixing sounds promising too and await that. I'm on a trial track so I'm at their mercy. Being sub 50 even and zero comorbidities at all, I'm not too worried - which is why I joined the trial in the first place. I didn't worry about me placebo or not.
I get your concerns too. Honestly as above - do what you feel is best. That's really it. Mixing and matching might be a good thing to consider too just to make it harder lol. Being around so many people would make me want it more but I also don't think you're wrong to wait either. It's tough but go with your gut in the end.
LittleBuford
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This makes absolutely no sense to me:
Crime-hit Chicago grapples with police vaccine revolt
Vaccination rates have lagged among US police, even as Covid becomes their leading cause of death.
www.bbc.co.uk
Covid is the new cop killer. More unfortunately will attend a fellow member in blue funeral services.This makes absolutely no sense to me:
Crime-hit Chicago grapples with police vaccine revolt
Vaccination rates have lagged among US police, even as Covid becomes their leading cause of death.www.bbc.co.uk
hopemax
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Resistance is likely tied to other recent issues involving law enforcement. It’s not just vaccinations they are pushing back on but the whole reexamination toward policing. But ultimately if law enforcement wants their community to trust their decisions, they have to make decisions that are trustworthy. Members dying from something we have a good tool to prevent? Then I see a group that considers itself above society’s rules enacted for the safety of the community so then I have to ask, how often do they think that? Which is a problem for the group we are supposed to rely on to enforce the rest of those community safety rules.
JoeCamel
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The whole "I am willing to take a bullet every day" vs "I am concerned about putting something into my body" takes are so polar opposite one has to be wrong and at that there is a huge problem with law enforcement to be addressed.This makes absolutely no sense to me:
Crime-hit Chicago grapples with police vaccine revolt
Vaccination rates have lagged among US police, even as Covid becomes their leading cause of death.www.bbc.co.uk
DisneyCane
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That is true but using the 154.1 national average for cases per 100k over 7 days, around 1.5% (probably less due to shorter infectious period of the vaccinated) of people you come into contact with are likely to be infected and contagious. If you come into brief contact with 1000 people in a day (I have no idea if they really serve that many in a day) as a casino cashier, around 15 might be infected and contagious. Since the interaction is likely to be under a minute, they won't be exposed for a total of 15 minutes in a day.
For a casino dealer, there is a much lower chance of coming into contact with anybody who is infected and contagious but if somebody infected and contagious sits down at their table, they are likely to be there for at least 15 minutes.
DisneyCane
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Do you have statistics on how many police officers have died of COVID? It's likely more than the number killed in the line of duty but probably not as many more as your statement implies. Most police officers skew younger because they can retire relatively young with full pensions.
Kind of like "the vaccines work so well that the unvaccinated need to get vaccinated to protect the people who have been vaccinated." There are lots of contradictory statements flying around regarding COVID vaccines.
peter11435
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it’s many times more
DisneyCane
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I don't doubt it is but it isn't specific to police officers. It's going to be the same as any other person in the same age and health group.
Getting killed in the line of duty is something specific to police officers and a job related risk that they are willing to take which very few people with non-military jobs take.
James J
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It's about five times as many - 476 Covid-19 related deaths since the start of the pandemic, compared to 94 from gunfire in the same period.
ABQ
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That's correct, I would have to say that Covid is the new every job killer. Yes, that would include cops, but certainly covid is indiscriminate in who it infects.
Timmay
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Gunfire is not the only way a police officer can be killed in the line of duty. That’s one of the ways the comparison is skewed and quite frankly disingenuous. It only takes into account Covid deaths vs. in-the-line-of -duty deaths. Cops die every day of heart attacks, traffic accidents, suicide, cancer, etc. while not in the line of duty.
Numbers are listed in this article
Crime-hit Chicago grapples with police vaccine revolt
Vaccination rates have lagged among US police, even as Covid becomes their leading cause of death.
www.bbc.co.uk
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