Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Figgy1]

@LittleBuford how is your father doing with therapy? Hoping he's fully recovered

 

[LittleBuford]

@LittleBuford how is your father doing with therapy? Hoping he's fully recovered

Thanks for asking, Figgy. I don’t think he’ll ever be fully back to his old self, but he continues to get stronger each day, and we’re just grateful to have him still.

I hope your loved ones—and those of everyone here—are in good health.

 

[DisneyFan32]

CDC issues new COVID-19 guidance for the holiday season

Looks like this Thanksgiving and Christmas will reducing future spikes / surges as no problem afterall since anti-vaxxers will may get vaccine / booster afterall.

 

[ABQ]

This only works if water was originally developed and sold as an engine coolant and eventually reformulated for use by humans.

Splitting hairs.
There are many medications that have both human and animal applications. Prozac, for one. Which is why a doctor should be relied upon for administration of them. The simple fact that a medication can be used for both humans and animals does not give a news network the right to refer to the incorrect application of the medication. If you want to keep saying that in its most binary way, true or false, it's OK, then you're just accepting the fact that shaping a story is OK for a news network to do.
It simply does not explain away how it's ok for CNN to claim that Rogan was taking a horse deworming when his doctor prescribed him a human anti-parasitic medication.

 

[Lilofan]

Splitting hairs.
There are many medications that have both human and animal applications. Prozac, for one. Which is why a doctor should be relied upon for administration of them. The simple fact that a medication can be used for both humans and animals does not give a news network the right to refer to the incorrect application of the medication. If you want to keep saying that in its most binary way, true or false, it's OK, then you're just accepting the fact that shaping a story is OK for a news network to do.
It simply does not explain away how it's ok for CNN to claim that Rogan was taking a horse deworming when his doctor prescribed him a human anti-parasitic medication.

It is not ok. CNN had to eat crow for what they were reporting regarding this matter. All networks have their fair share in being proved wrong.

 

[Touchdown]

Feel free to elevate a talk radio host as an equal to a neurosurgeon on medical issues, it’s fine it’s only a difference of 8 years of school and 7 years of training…

 

[wishiwere@wdw]

Florida passed Connecticut by a fraction of a percent and now has the second lowest rate of Covid19! Only Hawaii has a lower rate which means Florida has the lowest rate of the lower 48.

While I don’t doubt you and obviously welcome this news, I’m curious what you’re using to obtain the stats .

 

[JoeCamel]

Feel free to elevate a talk radio host as an equal to a neurosurgeon on medical issues, it’s fine it’s only a difference of 8 years of school and 7 years of training…

And a few dozen IQ points

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Can they get rid of the shower curtains in the Jungle Cruise boats? It makes it harder to see if you're sitting up front.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Feel free to elevate a talk radio host as an equal to a neurosurgeon on medical issues, it’s fine it’s only a difference of 8 years of school and 7 years of training…

One of the dumbest comments I've read is "Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon, what does he know about vaccines?", as if his surgical training started with being handed a knife and the command "Start whittling!". I daresay Dr. Gupta has at least 4 more years of university-level basic science education than 99.9% of the population and 4 more years of general medical education than an even smaller percentage. His training would have been identical to an infectious disease specialist up until maybe 4th year of medical school, when he would have presumably taken more surgical electives.

 

[Lilofan]

Can they get rid of the shower curtains in the Jungle Cruise boats? It makes it harder to see if you're sitting up front.

With the afternoon rain storms and being on an open boat in FL, those shower curtains may come in handy!

 

[DisneyCane]

One of the dumbest comments I've read is "Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon, what does he know about vaccines?", as if his surgical training started with being handed a knife and the command "Start whittling!". I daresay Dr. Gupta has at least 4 more years of university-level basic science education than 99.9% of the population and 4 more years of general medical education than an even smaller percentage. His training would have been identical to an infectious disease specialist up until maybe 4th year of medical school, when he would have presumably taken more surgical electives.

Isn't the same thing true for ophthalmologists? Asking for a friend.

 

[DisneyCane]

No, No, No.

Your primary line of defense your body has to infection is your skin/mucosa/other external protection (the hairs lining your nose, your lungs mucus and cillary ladder, saliva) that block 99% of all pathogens from even entering your body.

After that you have your immune system infantry, the inate immunity response (neutrophils, basophils, eosinophils, NK cells) that can usually sense when something is not part of you and destroy it on contact. This is not a targeted response, and things slip through but a vast majority of invaders who slip into your body are destroyed before your secondary immune system is activated (get it, the inate immune system is your primary immune system because it does a majority of the work.)

Finally if a pathogen is able to evade the inate immune system the secondary immune system is there, this includes Antibodies, all types of T-cells, and all types of B-cells/Plasma Cells. Antibodies are made by plasma cells, plasma cells are transformed B-cells who have essentially just become antibody making machines. Helper T-cells are the support staff who help activate b-cells, direct the inate immune system to target certain known pathogens, and Killer T-cells are assassins who seek out and destroy known threats in a targeted way. They all work together and can’t exist without the other (as all of these cells when activated will cause a synergistic activation of the other lines.) One part of your secondary immune system is not superior to another part, and for proof you only need to look at how HIV destroys your immune system. HIV only infects Helper-T cells, it doesn’t kill any other immune cell line but if left unchecked it will completely destroy practically every helper T-cell in your body. When that happens, you lose your entire secondary immune system, and when that happens that is when you are diagnosed with AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome.)

The things you describe are the reason that the doomsday scenario assumption of the entire population getting COVID was never going to happen. Many people were exposed and didn't get infected or got infected and didn't get sick because their defenses and immune system were able to prevent it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Isn't the same thing true for ophthalmologists? Asking for a friend.

Yes, but I can think of at least one ophthamologist who by his very words hasn't kept his knowledge base up-to-date and has relied on sources that don't represent current medical consensus.

 

[Touchdown]

The things you describe are the reason that the doomsday scenario assumption of the entire population getting COVID was never going to happen. Many people were exposed and didn't get infected or got infected and didn't get sick because their defenses and immune system were able to prevent it.

-722,212 dead Americans so far (including 166,219 dead under 65 year old)
-Current death rate of 2.2 Americans per 100k
-2,306,500 Americans have been hopspitalized with Covid to date, that’s 0.7% of the population

Just a little blip, has no historical significance right?

Worse, It’s not over, we’re in between waves, and once again our vaccination rate sucks again. There will likely be another wave this winter. How bad will it be? I don’t know, but I do know there are people out there who aren’t vaccinated and haven’t developed immunity to Covid (ie haven’t been infected and haven’t developed memory b/t cells) who will be infected again. You continuing to minimize this isn’t helpful. If you truely want to throw away your mask go out and advocate for everyone to get vaccinated.

 

[Touchdown]

Isn't the same thing true for ophthalmologists? Asking for a friend.

Is one truely still an ophthalmologist if you don’t practice? Dr. Gupta still operates.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Is one truely still an ophthalmologist if you don’t practice? Dr. Gupta still operates.

I met Dr. Gupta the day he scrubbed-in on a case in Afghanistan. The guy was only there to report, but he jumped right in when the trauma surgeon asked for assistance (we were a little more loose with the medical credentialing process and granting of privileges down range).

I wonder if a certain ophthalmologist would offer to assist in the ICU of a COVID-overloaded hospital? There's been more than a few of those in Kentucky.

 

[DisneyCane]

-722,212 dead Americans so far (including 166,219 dead under 65 year old)
-Current death rate of 2.2 Americans per 100k
-2,306,500 Americans have been hopspitalized with Covid to date, that’s 0.7% of the population

Just a little blip, has no historical significance right?

Worse, It’s not over, we’re in between waves, and once again our vaccination rate sucks again. There will likely be another wave this winter. How bad will it be? I don’t know, but I do know there are people out there who aren’t vaccinated and haven’t developed immunity to Covid (ie haven’t been infected and haven’t developed memory b/t cells) who will be infected again. You continuing to minimize this isn’t helpful. If you truely want to throw away your mask go out and advocate for everyone to get vaccinated.

I don't know how my response led to this post. I was advocating for everybody to get vaccinated just not to be forced to. As of Friday, Miami-Dade county was still the 11th worst out of 67 FL counties in cases per 100k for the week but the best with regards to vaccination at 93% eligible (80% of population) with at least one shot. That county is pretty much as close to "everyone" getting vaccinated as anywhere is going to get and spread is still nowhere near zero.

Is one truely still an ophthalmologist if you don’t practice? Dr. Gupta still operates.

If you maintain your license you are. Ken Jeong is still a doctor. If you could sill see a patient today then you are definitely still a doctor.

 

[Andrew C]

This is not meant to be political. Just wanted to call out the passing of Colin Powell due to Covid complications. He was 84.

 

[Touchdown]

I don't know how my response led to this post. I was advocating for everybody to get vaccinated just not to be forced to. As of Friday, Miami-Dade county was still the 11th worst out of 67 FL counties in cases per 100k for the week but the best with regards to vaccination at 93% eligible (80% of population) with at least one shot. That county is pretty much as close to "everyone" getting vaccinated as anywhere is going to get and spread is still nowhere near zero.

If you maintain your license you are. Ken Jeong is still a doctor. If you could sill see a patient today then you are definitely still a doctor.

Funny I could have said the same thing about your post as I don’t know why a description of how the immune system works led to a discussion on how Covid isn’t really that bad.

As for why your favorite county is still suffering that’s easy. Due to Delta we need to have 95% of the total population immune (again, that means have memory b/T cells to Covid which you can achieve by vaccinating or surviving a severe enough disease if it) to stop the spread. I don’t think we have reached that level anywhere in the country yet, but the closest to that level is probably California due to both there very high vaccination rate (for this country) and having suffered a few very severe waves. The latter fact is why I didn’t say any New England States, they really haven’t had much infections compared to the rest of the country.

As I’ve pointed out multiple times to you the reason why Miami Dade lags the rest of the state is because:

1. We are on the downward part of a wave
2. They insituted other mitigation measures (masks, social distancing) which decreased their peak infections, decreased their slope, and elongated their wave

Further, I’ll add that because, especially in peaks we cannot capture everyone infected (we run out of tests) it will appear that Miami Dade still suffered the same infection rate as other counties in the state, I don’t believe that to be true as I’m sure the testing rate in that county exceeds other counties, but I don’t have the time to dig in the weeds and find out.

Also, I’ll point out urban environments are far more favorable to Covid infections due to population density so the fact that some rural county in the panhandle has the same Covid rates per population as the states most urban county is yet again a sign that Miami Dade did better then that other county.

In short stop constantly bringing up Miami Dades rates as evidence other litigations are useless, please.