Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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Mask mandates are already long gone in most of Florida, and including every park that isn't Disney. The county's guidelines were that the recommendation would change at 5%, and that's what Disney was going by before. (The other parks only strongly suggested). So to be consistent with data and county recommendations, they should drop it when it goes below 5% in orange county, which is likely in the coming week or at latest, the week after. With no India style spikes elsewhere in the world, it's very likely the August surge was the worst one and will remain that. The studies on Florida Spread and projections, done at the University of Florida also back this up, which have been very accurate to date.
Mandates have been gone in all of Florida since 7/1/21 at latest. I can only assume that Disney will go by the CDC guidelines for the area. Possibly delayed by a few weeks for a buffer. Depending on timing they might wait for at least 3 weeks to pass from the 5-11 approval of the Pfizer vaccine.
 

JoeCamel

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This is true, particularly in urban areas.
Public schools have become the places kids get two out of their three meals a day.
It's also why mayors (NYC for instance) are highly reluctant to close schools for snow days.
That and some federal aid comes on a per pupil per day basis so......
 

Chi84

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So how far are we from Orange Co meeting that?
Well we leave WDW on October 28. So by my calculation - and based on what happened to us in May - my guess would be 19 days. 😉

Seriously, though, doesn’t less than 50 cases per 100k seem so low as to be unobtainable? I’m not sure the CDC is ever going to let us take these things off.
 

celluloid

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But you did generalize. Maybe next time be more specific. I've heard the same generalized comment from others since the pandemic started.

The leap to "extremists" is odd.

If someone relies on a school for babysitting over the safety of their own children as well as the safety of others students and families, yelling at the school and being belligerent, that is the result of an extremist situation of people expecting schools to always be the babysitter. I will work on being more specific next time if the situation occurs. I would suggest clarifying what the statement you keep hearing from others is that you believe not to be true? Educators are a part of your child's well being while on campus, and to report known abuse or neglect outside of the educational facility. It is not the school's responsibility to give you an out to keep working the same hours that school happens. To your other point about the female workforce numbers dropping more than ever to return home, the biggest workforce of females is Nursing and Public Education. All the more reason people should not expect that schools have to keep their children in the classroom if they are suggested to be sent home for known health and or safety reasons to the learning environment of others.
 
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Heelz2315

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Well we leave WDW on October 28. So by my calculation - and based on what happened to us in May - my guess would be 19 days. 😉

Seriously, though, doesn’t less than 50 cases per 100k seem so low as to be unobtainable? I’m not sure the CDC is ever going to let us take these things off.

thats what is worrying me. The fact that Disney doesn’t ever remove them
 

Touchdown

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So how far are we from Orange Co meeting that?
From the CDC website: as of Friday Orange County had 1,616 cases per day 7 day average. Orange County has a population of 1,393,000. Doing the math approx 116 cases per 100k (red) with a 6.09% positivity (orange range.). If cases keep decreasing we should see Orange County go Orange (cases <100 per 100k) next week. Could be yellow before Halloween.

Orange County CA is now at 2.88% positivity (yellow) with 56 cases per 100k (orange) so that County will hit the threshold first. It will be interesting to see what happens at DL when it does.
 

drizgirl

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If someone relies on a school for babysitting over the safety of their own children as well as the safety of others students and families, yelling at the school and being belligerent, that is the result of an extremist situation of people expecting schools to always be the babysitter. I will work on being more specific next time if the situation occurs. I would suggest clarifying what the statement you keep hearing from others is that you believe not to be true? Educators are a part of your child's well being while on campus, and to report known abuse or neglect outside of the educational facility. It is not the school's responsibility to give you an out to keep working the same hours that school happens. To your other point about the female workforce numbers dropping more than ever to return home, the biggest workforce of females is Nursing and Public Education. All the more reason people should not expect that schools have to keep their children in the classroom if they are suggested to be sent home for known health and or safety reasons to the learning environment of others.
You needn't lecture me. I gave up my full time career to be primary caregiver for my children. I enjoyed any bonus time I ever got with my kids at home. I loved snow days. I relished Christmas break and mourned when I gave them up each fall.

Your post reeks of resentment of parents though. If you're in the educational system, you should step back and take a closer look at how you are generalizing about people. People who have been and continue to be going through an incredibly stressful time.

No, I'm not trying to defend the story in the video. It's indefensible. But that story has nothing to do with what all the other parents are doing. There have always been a**hole parents and there will always be a**hole parents. But generalizing that behavior to others is incredibly damaging to the relationship between parents and teachers as a whole.
 

celluloid

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You needn't lecture me. I gave up my full time career to be primary caregiver for my children. I enjoyed any bonus time I ever got with my kids at home. I loved snow days. I relished Christmas break and mourned when I gave them up each fall.

Your post reeks of resentment of parents though. If you're in the educational system, you should step back and take a closer look at how you are generalizing about people. People who have been and continue to be going through an incredibly stressful time.

No, I'm not trying to defend the story in the video. It's indefensible. But that story has nothing to do with what all the other parents are doing. There have always been a**hole parents and there will always be a**hole parents. But generalizing that behavior to others is incredibly damaging to the relationship between parents and teachers as a whole.

Would that not generalize me to presume what I am speaking of after I responded directly under the post about this story of a dad in that story from NJ being a jerk? Again, I responded to all of this below the post about the parent in New Jersey.

Generalizing would have been if I said all people or just people. I only ever said the last two years shows just how much the public does rely on public schools as babysitters. I can tell it has been stressful for you and many others. More often than not, people in education have their own children in the system too. So I don't think many in the education field need to be reminded of your points either. They are against a lot of things at once from all of the sides.

I am sorry it has been difficult for you(and many of us) that have had to change our career lives to do something that is the most important choice and make your children a priority. The one blessing I hope that comes from a lot of the stress is I hope others do like you have already done and realize what matters the most.
 
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DCBaker

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"Merck said Monday it asked the Food and Drug Administration to authorize emergency use of its experimental antiviral pill to treat mild-to-moderate Covid-19 in adults.

The U.S. drugmaker’s request came after phase three clinical trial data released on October 1 showed the medication – known as molnupiravir – reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid would be hospitalized by about 50%.

The drug works by inhibiting the replication of the virus inside the body. Unlike Gilead Sciences’ intravenous drug remdesivir, Merck’s molnupiravir can be taken by mouth. If approved by U.S. regulators, it would be the first pill to treat Covid, a potentially game-changing advancement in the fight against the virus, which is killing an average of more than 1,600 Americans per day.

“The extraordinary impact of this pandemic demands that we move with unprecedented
urgency, and that is what our teams have done by submitting this application for molnupiravir to the FDA within 10 days of receiving the data,” Merck CEO Robert Davis said in a press release.

The pill could be available to Americans by late this year. Merck, which developed the drug with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, said it is actively working with regulatory agencies worldwide to submit applications for emergency use or authorization “in the coming months.”

The company agreed earlier this year to supply the U.S. with around 1.7 million courses of molnupiravir if it receives emergency use authorization or full approval from the FDA. According to The New York Times, a five-day course of the medication will cost the federal government about $700 per patient, a third of the current cost of monoclonal antibodies."

 

ABQ

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"Merck said Monday it asked the Food and Drug Administration to authorize emergency use of its experimental antiviral pill to treat mild-to-moderate Covid-19 in adults.

The U.S. drugmaker’s request came after phase three clinical trial data released on October 1 showed the medication – known as molnupiravir – reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid would be hospitalized by about 50%.

The drug works by inhibiting the replication of the virus inside the body. Unlike Gilead Sciences’ intravenous drug remdesivir, Merck’s molnupiravir can be taken by mouth. If approved by U.S. regulators, it would be the first pill to treat Covid, a potentially game-changing advancement in the fight against the virus, which is killing an average of more than 1,600 Americans per day.

“The extraordinary impact of this pandemic demands that we move with unprecedented
urgency, and that is what our teams have done by submitting this application for molnupiravir to the FDA within 10 days of receiving the data,” Merck CEO Robert Davis said in a press release.

The pill could be available to Americans by late this year. Merck, which developed the drug with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, said it is actively working with regulatory agencies worldwide to submit applications for emergency use or authorization “in the coming months.”

The company agreed earlier this year to supply the U.S. with around 1.7 million courses of molnupiravir if it receives emergency use authorization or full approval from the FDA. According to The New York Times, a five-day course of the medication will cost the federal government about $700 per patient, a third of the current cost of monoclonal antibodies."

Oh boy, everyone should prepare themselves of the onslaught of "Oh, so Merck has rebranded Ivermectin as Molnupiravir" Neither really rolls of the tongue.
 

Heppenheimer

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"Merck said Monday it asked the Food and Drug Administration to authorize emergency use of its experimental antiviral pill to treat mild-to-moderate Covid-19 in adults.

The U.S. drugmaker’s request came after phase three clinical trial data released on October 1 showed the medication – known as molnupiravir – reduced the chances that patients newly diagnosed with Covid would be hospitalized by about 50%.

The drug works by inhibiting the replication of the virus inside the body. Unlike Gilead Sciences’ intravenous drug remdesivir, Merck’s molnupiravir can be taken by mouth. If approved by U.S. regulators, it would be the first pill to treat Covid, a potentially game-changing advancement in the fight against the virus, which is killing an average of more than 1,600 Americans per day.

“The extraordinary impact of this pandemic demands that we move with unprecedented
urgency, and that is what our teams have done by submitting this application for molnupiravir to the FDA within 10 days of receiving the data,” Merck CEO Robert Davis said in a press release.

The pill could be available to Americans by late this year. Merck, which developed the drug with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, said it is actively working with regulatory agencies worldwide to submit applications for emergency use or authorization “in the coming months.”

The company agreed earlier this year to supply the U.S. with around 1.7 million courses of molnupiravir if it receives emergency use authorization or full approval from the FDA. According to The New York Times, a five-day course of the medication will cost the federal government about $700 per patient, a third of the current cost of monoclonal antibodies."

I would say "Very useful additional tool in the arsenal", but not quite a game-changer yet. Vaccines and the monoclonal antibody infusions already do most of the work of this medication. The biggest difference is that an oral medication is much more scalable than an infusion. And in general, people usually show far less resistance to taking pills than an injection. I've found that in at least some people, all the resistance phrased as "I'm not putting that in my body!" is really just a mental construct to justify a simple fear of needles.

A real gamechanger would be all the vaccines refuseniks suddenly changing their mind, or a targeted treatment for severe hospitalized cases. Where we stand right now would be comparable to treating severe bacterial pneumonia with all the benefits of modern medicine, but lacking antibiotics. Note that the requested EAU for molnupiravir does not include use in hospitalized patients. Perhaps Merck will submit under this indication at a later date, or they may already have the data showing that it doesn't help for severe illness.

EDIT: And if they find that molnupiravir has significant prophylactic benefit, may I suggest adding the medication to Dole Whip? Or covering it in sugar, hand it out at the gate and call it "Mickey's Welcome Candy"?
 
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DisneyCane

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Several counties in FL are turning Orange. Interestingly, the two that have the highest vaccination rates (Miami-Dade 92% eligible and Broward 82% eligible) and where people are most likely to wear masks are not leading the pack in this regard.

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Touchdown

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Several counties in FL are turning Orange. Interestingly, the two that have the highest vaccination rates (Miami-Dade 92% eligible and Broward 82% eligible) and where people are most likely to wear masks are not leading the pack in this regard.

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You know that wearing masks and being vaccinated lowers the peak but also widens the surge curve too right? Their slope is less severe because of it, they’ll get there. Everyone wanted to compare CA to FL this summer when they bit spiked, CA has a whole lot more orange and will have yellow counties likely this week.
 

DisneyCane

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You know that wearing masks and being vaccinated lowers the peak but also widens the surge curve too right? Their slope is less severe because of it, they’ll get there. Everyone wanted to compare CA to FL this summer when they bit spiked, CA has a whole lot more orange and will have yellow counties likely this week.
Exactly. Outside of vaccination which can reduce the total deaths and severe illnesses, all that mitigation measures accomplish is spreading out the cases and lowering the peak. Kind of like how Fauci drew with his finger in an early press conference before we started pretending that the goal of mitigation was to save lives and end COVID.

Vaccination can at least accomplish the former. I'm not sure if anything can accomplish the latter, at least worldwide.
 

celluloid

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Exactly. Outside of vaccination which can reduce the total deaths and severe illnesses, all that mitigation measures accomplish is spreading out the cases and lowering the peak. Kind of like how Fauci drew with his finger in an early press conference before we started pretending that the goal of mitigation was to save lives and end COVID.

Vaccination can at least accomplish the former. I'm not sure if anything can accomplish the latter, at least worldwide.

Maybe I am reading that wrong, but until people get vaccinated, wouldn't spreading the spikes and peaks out help the severe toll on communities including their healthcare? Isn't that part of the goal?
 
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