Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

"Florida on Monday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 9,022 more COVID-19 cases and 1,059 deaths, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,503,976 confirmed COVID cases and 51,884 deaths.

The majority of the deaths added Monday, about 91%, occurred over the past 28 days, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. Half of those people died in the past two weeks.

In the last seven days, the state has added an average of 376 deaths each day, the highest ever reported, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 8,841 cases to the daily cumulative total, the lowest seen since mid-July, according to Herald calculations."

"There were 9,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Monday report. This data is reported from 255 Florida hospitals. That is 211 additional patients more than Sunday’s report, ending a trend of decreasing hospitalizations.

COVID-19 patients take up 16.4% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 15.90% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,359 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 75. That represents about 38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared to 36.28% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254382593.html

 

[FanforDisney]

Did you politely point out the differences or did you point out how she was a misinformed idiot, knuckle dragging Trumpian that needs to be segregated from society?

Are you brave enough to say that to her face? Are you someone that hides behind anonymous posts!

 

[Epcotfan21]

"Florida on Monday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 9,022 more COVID-19 cases and 1,059 deaths, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,503,976 confirmed COVID cases and 51,884 deaths.

The majority of the deaths added Monday, about 91%, occurred over the past 28 days, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. Half of those people died in the past two weeks."

"There were 9,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Monday report. This data is reported from 255 Florida hospitals. That is 211 additional patients more than Sunday’s report, ending a trend of decreasing hospitalizations.

COVID-19 patients take up 16.4% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 15.90% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,359 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 75. That represents about 38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared to 36.28% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254382593.html

Labor Day effect?

 

[Kevin_W]

I felt this way too going in, but I can honestly say it wasn’t a big deal for me. In a weird way I almost feel like WDW was “more special” because of the issues going on in the real world. I needed an escape more than ever. The masks and hand sanitizer and covid signs everywhere just sorta blended into the experience. I was more focused on having fun and not having a heat stroke in the August FL sun I think it’s all an individual thing. By the time I was going I was actually happy they brought back masks indoors. I think if someone is hard core triggered by masks like a number of people seem to be, it could be a deal breaker.

That makes sense, too. We went for a short trip last October and in some ways it was the worst trip ever (short park hours, limited entertainment, no fireworks, masks, etc.) and in some ways it was one of the best ever (rest of the world really sucked and we at least were at Disney!).

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccination status for Orange County -

The 14-day COVID-19 rolling positivity rate is 11.29%.

 

[jmp85]

I felt this way too going in, but I can honestly say it wasn’t a big deal for me. In a weird way I almost feel like WDW was “more special” because of the issues going on in the real world. I needed an escape more than ever. The masks and hand sanitizer and covid signs everywhere just sorta blended into the experience. I was more focused on having fun and not having a heat stroke in the August FL sun I think it’s all an individual thing. By the time I was going I was actually happy they brought back masks indoors. I think if someone is hard core triggered by masks like a number of people seem to be, it could be a deal breaker.

Right there with you. Despite the masks, our trip back in May definitely felt like a nice escape from reality. You almost forget they are even 'a thing' at times. The only thing annoying about the masks was trying to get our 2 year old to stop taking the dang thing off!

 

[Lilofan]

Normalize(standard condition or state that does not seem out of the ordinary) yes.Mandate(an official order or commission to do something) everywhere we go other than public transit, no.

Heck they are normalized now. 3 years ago it would of been weird to see a person in the USA wear a mask. 3 year from now even if Covid is gone it's not going to seem weird if people wear masks.

Normalize does not mean long term forced use for everyone, it simply means it will not be out of the ordinary to see masks on 20% of people for any personal reason, pollution, whatever, like in Asia for the last 30 years. Heck, 3 years ago a person wearing a mask might be told to take it off for security issues(like getting through TSA pre covid), that won't be happening in the USA anymore because it's becoming normalized.

Also casinos in Las Vegas pre covid would never allow a guest to wear a mask . The facial recognition program can help spot the card counters , cheaters etc in the locations. Now with casinos requiring masks, the eyes in the skies and security on the casino floor are challenged with the facial recognition program to identify.

 

[DisneyCane]

Heck, 3 years ago a person wearing a mask might be told to take it off for security issues(like getting through TSA pre covid), that won't be happening in the USA anymore because it's becoming normalized.

You still have to remove your mask going through TSA at the ID check station.

 

[DisneyCane]

"Florida on Monday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 9,022 more COVID-19 cases and 1,059 deaths, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,503,976 confirmed COVID cases and 51,884 deaths.

The majority of the deaths added Monday, about 91%, occurred over the past 28 days, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. Half of those people died in the past two weeks.

In the last seven days, the state has added an average of 376 deaths each day, the highest ever reported, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 8,841 cases to the daily cumulative total, the lowest seen since mid-July, according to Herald calculations."

"There were 9,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Monday report. This data is reported from 255 Florida hospitals. That is 211 additional patients more than Sunday’s report, ending a trend of decreasing hospitalizations.

COVID-19 patients take up 16.4% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 15.90% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,359 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 75. That represents about 38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared to 36.28% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254382593.html

Hopefully the hospitalization uptick isn't an indicator that the case decline is reversing. The positive results don't make it to the report for several days.

Maybe people can't get the monoclonal antibodies to stay out of the hospital after the policy change?

 

[GoofGoof]

Labor Day effect?

The cases seem to still be going down right? Wouldn‘t a Labor Day effect cause a spike in cases? 7 day moving average dropped below 10,000 for the first time since the 3rd week of July.

 

[Touchdown]

Just wanted to point out that children are in fact getting Covid now thanks to delta, in fact they are the plurality of new cases in this country. Get going FDA/CDC vaccines for them need to be approved soon

 

[Epcotfan21]

The cases seem to still be going down right? Wouldn‘t a Labor Day effect cause a spike in cases? 7 day moving average dropped below 10,000 for the first time since the 3rd week of July.

I was mainly referring to the uptick in hospitalizations and ICU cases.

 

[Nubs70]

Are you brave enough to say that to her face? Are you someone that hides behind anonymous posts!

Yes

 

[mmascari]

The cases seem to still be going down right? Wouldn‘t a Labor Day effect cause a spike in cases? 7 day moving average dropped below 10,000 for the first time since the 3rd week of July.

Something strange is going on with the data. I keep expecting Labor Day to be a blip and it to come back, but it hasn't yet. I didn't collect early samples for all the dates to see if the testing numbers are being backfilled and just reported late like the death numbers. I would love for it to be all good, but it looks strange.

CDC data:

Cases way down since 8/30.

State	Date	New Cases	7-Day Moving Avg	7-Day Case Rate per 100k
Florida	Sep 19, 2021	0	8,811	287.19
Florida	Sep 18, 2021	8,645	9,808	319.66
Florida	Sep 17, 2021	9,923	10,968	357.48
Florida	Sep 16, 2021	11,475	10,869	354.26
Florida	Sep 15, 2021	9,393	11,788	384.21
Florida	Sep 14, 2021	10,866	12,231	398.65
Florida	Sep 13, 2021	11,380	12,668	412.89
Florida	Sep 12, 2021	6,974	12,498	407.35
Florida	Sep 11, 2021	16,768	13,093	426.73
Florida	Sep 10, 2021	9,230	13,165	429.09
Florida	Sep 9, 2021	17,908	14,292	465.82
Florida	Sep 8, 2021	12,495	14,320	466.73
Florida	Sep 7, 2021	13,924	15,616	508.96
Florida	Sep 6, 2021	10,191	16,368	533.48
Florida	Sep 5, 2021	11,135	17,591	573.32
Florida	Sep 4, 2021	17,276	17,870	582.42
Florida	Sep 3, 2021	17,118	17,935	584.54
Florida	Sep 2, 2021	18,103	18,545	604.43
Florida	Sep 1, 2021	21,567	19,929	649.52
Florida	Aug 31, 2021	19,190	19,908	648.87
Florida	Aug 30, 2021	18,748	20,930	682.18

Testing way down too

State	Date	Daily Test Volume	7-Day % Positivity
Florida	Sep 19, 2021	N/A	0
Florida	Sep 18, 2021	N/A	0
Florida	Sep 17, 2021	29,881	11.32
Florida	Sep 16, 2021	67,373	11.69
Florida	Sep 15, 2021	96,071	12.1
Florida	Sep 14, 2021	112,550	12.64
Florida	Sep 13, 2021	133,475	13.07
Florida	Sep 12, 2021	62,769	13.45
Florida	Sep 11, 2021	56,666	13.64
Florida	Sep 10, 2021	97,627	13.78
Florida	Sep 9, 2021	107,506	13.75
Florida	Sep 8, 2021	116,475	13.91
Florida	Sep 7, 2021	155,414	13.95
Florida	Sep 6, 2021	57,073	14.16
Florida	Sep 5, 2021	65,960	14.45
Florida	Sep 4, 2021	75,686	14.58
Florida	Sep 3, 2021	128,190	14.69
Florida	Sep 2, 2021	133,415	15.11
Florida	Sep 1, 2021	140,138	15.49
Florida	Aug 31, 2021	144,308	16.05
Florida	Aug 30, 2021	160,343	16.58

When I read that, I see Friday 9/17 reported 30K tests. There's been 9,000+ cases reported in each @DCBaker post from 9/17 through today. The positivity is still dropping in this data and the other posts. Something doesn't add up. Since 9 over 30 would be 30%.

The holiday was on 9/6 and you can see the number of tests plummet on 9/4, 5, and 6. Jumps back up on 9/7. But, it's been consistently lower then week to week since labor day. Much lower than the case numbers.

Unless it's all getting backfilled in every day and all those test numbers in the last 2 weeks are junk that's still changing and not useful to look at.

That's what I cannot tell. Is the last two weeks of data useless to look at since it changes every day. Meaning we need to wait until 9/27 to know the "final" test data through 9/13 to get past the labor day slump. Or, what's really going on?

The whole thing makes it hard to look at even the 7 day averages that blunt the day to day numbers for the recent weeks. I feel like we're pretty good on what we know and how things were trending as of 9/6, but not the time between 9/6 and now. I think we'll know, but it may not be until we're 2 weeks past not and trying to know what's up with going into October and finally seeing middle of September.

 

[Dranth]

I felt this way too going in, but I can honestly say it wasn’t a big deal for me. In a weird way I almost feel like WDW was “more special” because of the issues going on in the real world. I needed an escape more than ever. The masks and hand sanitizer and covid signs everywhere just sorta blended into the experience. I was more focused on having fun and not having a heat stroke in the August FL sun I think it’s all an individual thing. By the time I was going I was actually happy they brought back masks indoors. I think if someone is hard core triggered by masks like a number of people seem to be, it could be a deal breaker.

This is very much what I experienced when we went last. That I was there at all over rode everything else I thought was going to be an issue and it ended up being one of the best trips we have ever taken to WDW.

I know not everyone is the same and some people have stronger feelings about these things but I really was surprised by how little it actually bothered me once there.

 

[Nubs70]

Something strange is going on with the data. I keep expecting Labor Day to be a blip and it to come back, but it hasn't yet. I didn't collect early samples for all the dates to see if the testing numbers are being backfilled and just reported late like the death numbers. I would love for it to be all good, but it looks strange.

CDC data:

Cases way down since 8/30.

State	Date	New Cases	7-Day Moving Avg	7-Day Case Rate per 100k
Florida	Sep 19, 2021	0	8,811	287.19
Florida	Sep 18, 2021	8,645	9,808	319.66
Florida	Sep 17, 2021	9,923	10,968	357.48
Florida	Sep 16, 2021	11,475	10,869	354.26
Florida	Sep 15, 2021	9,393	11,788	384.21
Florida	Sep 14, 2021	10,866	12,231	398.65
Florida	Sep 13, 2021	11,380	12,668	412.89
Florida	Sep 12, 2021	6,974	12,498	407.35
Florida	Sep 11, 2021	16,768	13,093	426.73
Florida	Sep 10, 2021	9,230	13,165	429.09
Florida	Sep 9, 2021	17,908	14,292	465.82
Florida	Sep 8, 2021	12,495	14,320	466.73
Florida	Sep 7, 2021	13,924	15,616	508.96
Florida	Sep 6, 2021	10,191	16,368	533.48
Florida	Sep 5, 2021	11,135	17,591	573.32
Florida	Sep 4, 2021	17,276	17,870	582.42
Florida	Sep 3, 2021	17,118	17,935	584.54
Florida	Sep 2, 2021	18,103	18,545	604.43
Florida	Sep 1, 2021	21,567	19,929	649.52
Florida	Aug 31, 2021	19,190	19,908	648.87
Florida	Aug 30, 2021	18,748	20,930	682.18

Testing way down too

State	Date	Daily Test Volume	7-Day % Positivity
Florida	Sep 19, 2021	N/A	0
Florida	Sep 18, 2021	N/A	0
Florida	Sep 17, 2021	29,881	11.32
Florida	Sep 16, 2021	67,373	11.69
Florida	Sep 15, 2021	96,071	12.1
Florida	Sep 14, 2021	112,550	12.64
Florida	Sep 13, 2021	133,475	13.07
Florida	Sep 12, 2021	62,769	13.45
Florida	Sep 11, 2021	56,666	13.64
Florida	Sep 10, 2021	97,627	13.78
Florida	Sep 9, 2021	107,506	13.75
Florida	Sep 8, 2021	116,475	13.91
Florida	Sep 7, 2021	155,414	13.95
Florida	Sep 6, 2021	57,073	14.16
Florida	Sep 5, 2021	65,960	14.45
Florida	Sep 4, 2021	75,686	14.58
Florida	Sep 3, 2021	128,190	14.69
Florida	Sep 2, 2021	133,415	15.11
Florida	Sep 1, 2021	140,138	15.49
Florida	Aug 31, 2021	144,308	16.05
Florida	Aug 30, 2021	160,343	16.58

When I read that, I see Friday 9/17 reported 30K tests. There's been 9,000+ cases reported in each @DCBaker post from 9/17 through today. The positivity is still dropping in this data and the other posts. Something doesn't add up. Since 9 over 30 would be 30%.

The holiday was on 9/6 and you can see the number of tests plummet on 9/4, 5, and 6. Jumps back up on 9/7. But, it's been consistently lower then week to week since labor day. Much lower than the case numbers.

Unless it's all getting backfilled in every day and all those test numbers in the last 2 weeks are junk that's still changing and not useful to look at.

That's what I cannot tell. Is the last two weeks of data useless to look at since it changes every day. Meaning we need to wait until 9/27 to know the "final" test data through 9/13 to get past the labor day slump. Or, what's really going on?

The whole thing makes it hard to look at even the 7 day averages that blunt the day to day numbers for the recent weeks. I feel like we're pretty good on what we know and how things were trending as of 9/6, but not the time between 9/6 and now. I think we'll know, but it may not be until we're 2 weeks past not and trying to know what's up with going into October and finally seeing middle of September.

Are the numbers following the UK trends for the path month.where there is an initial drop than levels off at a persistent rate?

 

[dovetail65]

Also casinos in Las Vegas pre covid would never allow a guest to wear a mask . The facial recognition program can help spot the card counters , cheaters etc in the locations. Now with casinos requiring masks, the eyes in the skies and security on the casino floor are challenged with the facial recognition program to identify.

So true.

When I dealt craps at Binion's back in the 80's if 4 people walked in with medical masks the security probably would of wrestled them to the ground!

 

[Lilofan]

So true.

When I dealt craps at Binion's back in the 80's if 4 people walked in with medical masks the security probably would of wrestled them to the ground!

Ahh Binion's, the former world series of poker location. Stayed in one of the hotel rooms back in the day , $19.99 per day and the $4.99 Prime Rib dinner with all the fixings at 2am was memorable.

 

[Club34]

I don't know if there's a risk. I was under the impression that there simply isn't enough evidence (yet) that a third shot will improve the odds that much. No one's saying it won't, they simply don't have enough information to say it will. If two Tylenol are good, three must be great and four must be incredible! What could possibly go wrong?

Liver damage.

Is anyone aware of a medication that doesn't have some sort of tradeoff, side effect or hazard? Genuine question for my betters...

Despite whatever level of benefit the vaccine has, there will be those other things. Here's hoping we have seen/experienced the worst of it with the vaccine. I know there was a "high level" of confidence here in this forum.

Although the vaccine is clearly the best thing we have going, it is also seemingly the only thing we have going. We are looking at tripling down on the original formula. Did someone not make comment on this forum that they can do this vaccine creation over a weekend with this versatile technology? Maybe I'm imagining it. One would like to think any additional booster would perhaps target additional strains? Otherwise maybe it is just like taking yet another Tylenol and that is not always a smart move.

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As a side note or thought on FL given what a hotbed that its been...

So with high levels of infection and there being some additional movement on vaxx rates (I do like the little orange meter), what is the "immunity rate" we should expect as there will be both vaccinated and those who have recovered from covid. Anyone have a guess as to what that number might be? What should we expect to see in these regions in the next month. What will those observations tell us about our prospects countrywide or even worldwide?

Sorry if this was asked or discussed.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Mississippi is now the leading state for deaths per capita.

Florida was 12th on the all-time list last week, and is now 10th. And the reason why is that Florida is number one for recent deaths per capita (as measured by the last two weeks).