Figgy1
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5 more months
Totally OT but I'm so excited
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Totally OT but I'm so excited
EpcoTim
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I didn’t speak in the definitive though, I did say probably. Could have worded it better but I never said it was ironclad.
I just don't want to go to wdw and wear a mask. anywhere else I could care less, and do it all the time. No problemo. it's something about being there and not having to do it. Just don't want to.
disneygeek90
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It's been a year and a half. I think we can normalize masks no matter where we are at this point.
Nope....esp when the virus levels drop and I've gotten my booster. I'm done with it at that point.
correcaminos
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Honestly it wasn't bad but there were times when I'd rather be outside in FL than indoors with AC with a mask. It wasn't the worst but not all times were great. I remember the Land pavillion being particularly bad.
They can kinda suck. I wear as directed but the failure to understand that not all are comfortable with them is something I am getting tired of hearing. Not as much as those still fighting wearing them, but I can tell you they are not my favorite thing at all and I loved not having them at all this summer. Not everything is great with them and not everyone who hates them and wishes them gone are maskholes. Lots of gray.
correcaminos
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We can still wear them, but normalize them implies long term. Nope, not gonna normalize masks in all situations. Sorry.
disneygeek90
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Outside when? Outside in January, sure. Outside in August? Not at all.
disneygeek90
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I didn't say forever, but we should be able to continue "normal life" while not being afraid of wearing a mask around large groups of people. FL still is averaging around 10k cases a day. Perhaps if it was something like 500 I would entertain that conversation.
Figgy1
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Where I am Nov-Mar and it has nothing to do with any germs That's cold and flu season so maybe a little
DisneyCane
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Has this actually been studied? Has there been an attempt to identify vaccinated people with breakthrough infections and unvaccinated people and try to catch the infection as soon as it is detectable and then monitor the viral load for days/weeks?
GoofGoof
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Yes, it was referenced in the article posted a few pages back.
dovetail65
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Normalize(standard condition or state that does not seem out of the ordinary) yes.Mandate(an official order or commission to do something) everywhere we go other than public transit, no.
Heck they are normalized now. 3 years ago it would of been weird to see a person in the USA wear a mask. 3 year from now even if Covid is gone it's not going to seem weird if people wear masks.
Normalize does not mean long term forced use for everyone, it simply means it will not be out of the ordinary to see masks on 20% of people for any personal reason, pollution, whatever, like in Asia for the last 30 years. Heck, 3 years ago a person wearing a mask might be told to take it off for security issues(like getting through TSA pre covid), that won't be happening in the USA anymore because it's becoming normalized.
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DisneyCane
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Because they are annoying to wear, uncomfortable to wear (if you are wearing one that has a chance of actually doing something), restrict breathing (same comment), make it more difficult to communicate verbally and impossible to communicate with facial expressions.
Also, the people I'm keeping alive by wearing one can choose to wear a KN95 which are easily available to buy online if they are concerned with what I may be breathing out into the air. They can also be vaccinated which, even with the apparent reduced real world effectiveness still make it incredibly unlikely to have a severe or life threatening illness if they do get COVID.
You can argue that in a situation like WDW where there are a lot of kids under 12 who can't be vaccinated and who won't wear a KN95 properly that forcing me to wear a mask is justified. Outside of some very specific situations like WDW or medical facilities, the argument falls on deaf ears to me.
GoofGoof
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Nah, you were right. Directly from the article that was in the post replying to you:Clearly, I choose a poor stat, or haven't kept up enough. The point still stands, that a vaccinated person is way less likely to pass it along.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.www.cdc.gov
Bolding all mine to call out those points.
One massive analysis of Delta transmission comes from the UK REACT-1 programme, led by a team at Imperial College London, which tests more than 100,000 UK volunteers every few weeks. The team ran Ct analyses for samples received in May, June and July, when Delta was rapidly replacing other variants to become the dominant driver of COVID-19 in the country. The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms.
There were some smaller studies which showed vaccinated people having a similar viral load. It’s not definitive one way or the other but this was a very large study which showed lower viral load on average in fully vaccinated people who had a breakthrough infection. That doesn’t mean that a fully vaccinated person is definitely not going to be contagious. Just that on average their viral load was lower. The other study referenced from Singapore looked at time contagious and found that in fully vaccinated people the viral load dropped faster.
DisneyCane
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Thanks. I must have missed the post and will go find it.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
All true except for the smaller viral load, info taken from here:
“Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people.”
How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says
Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.www.nature.com
The amount of people and the window in which they carry will be much smaller but so far it looks like the amount of the virus carried is the same in the two, when a breakthrough occurs. Something for people to think about if there are worries of spreading it to others in close proximity.
Kevin_W
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I can certainly understand that. Part of visiting WDW is supposed to be an escape from reality. (Yes, I know that isn't really Rapunzel we are talking to, but it's fun to pretend that it is.) Constantly putting your mask on and off is a reminder of the "real world" and detracts from the experience, even if it isn't physically onerous.
GoofGoof
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I felt this way too going in, but I can honestly say it wasn’t a big deal for me. In a weird way I almost feel like WDW was “more special” because of the issues going on in the real world. I needed an escape more than ever. The masks and hand sanitizer and covid signs everywhere just sorta blended into the experience. I was more focused on having fun and not having a heat stroke in the August FL sun
I think it’s all an individual thing. By the time I was going I was actually happy they brought back masks indoors. I think if someone is hard core triggered by masks like a number of people seem to be, it could be a deal breaker."Florida on Monday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 9,022 more COVID-19 cases and 1,059 deaths, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.
In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,503,976 confirmed COVID cases and 51,884 deaths.
The majority of the deaths added Monday, about 91%, occurred over the past 28 days, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. Half of those people died in the past two weeks.
In the last seven days, the state has added an average of 376 deaths each day, the highest ever reported, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 8,841 cases to the daily cumulative total, the lowest seen since mid-July, according to Herald calculations."
"There were 9,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Monday report. This data is reported from 255 Florida hospitals. That is 211 additional patients more than Sunday’s report, ending a trend of decreasing hospitalizations.
COVID-19 patients take up 16.4% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 15.90% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.
Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,359 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 75. That represents about 38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared to 36.28% the previous day."
In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,503,976 confirmed COVID cases and 51,884 deaths.
The majority of the deaths added Monday, about 91%, occurred over the past 28 days, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. Half of those people died in the past two weeks.
In the last seven days, the state has added an average of 376 deaths each day, the highest ever reported, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 8,841 cases to the daily cumulative total, the lowest seen since mid-July, according to Herald calculations."
"There were 9,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Monday report. This data is reported from 255 Florida hospitals. That is 211 additional patients more than Sunday’s report, ending a trend of decreasing hospitalizations.
COVID-19 patients take up 16.4% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 15.90% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.
Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,359 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 75. That represents about 38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared to 36.28% the previous day."
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