Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

No it will be a requirement for accepting federal funds, and OSHA regulations. Those aren’t unenforceable.

Well which piece are you talking about? Really depends.

 

[LaughingGravy]

I'm not super familiar with how Federal plans would affect State plans or who has the upper hand to make the final call.

Not to get too political but based on the fact that USA is currently getting ready to sue TX, I'm interested to see what happens with such clashing perspectives for vaccine mandates.

Fed overrides state, unless fed chooses to ignore, but that's Fed's discretion. Think devil's lettuce/wacky tobacky. There are states allowing it freely, but federal contractors operating in those states need to adhere to federal guidelines or risk losing the contract.

 

[Chomama]

I totally understand that and wear a mask when and where I'm required to do so. Also, if I'm paying Di$ney dollars for a vacation I'd like it to be enjoyable. If everyone had gotten vaxxed when they should we may not be in this mess. My patience for those who refuse is over.

With you on that one. My frustration is turning into giving up and just staying home because I don’t trust the public to do anything right

 

[DisneyCane]

I'm not super familiar with how Federal plans would affect State plans or who has the upper hand to make the final call.

Not to get too political but based on the fact that USA is currently getting ready to sue TX, I'm interested to see what happens with such clashing perspectives for vaccine mandates.

The only way the Federal Government can override the state level vaccine passport ban would be to pass a federal law that bans states from banning vaccine passports. That would be highly unlikely to pass through Congress.

There's a reason that FL didn't ban employers from requiring employees to be vaccinated. The federal government has the power to override that based on the powers given to OSHA.

 

[dreday3]

41 out of 191 deaths being fully vaccinated is not exactly encouraging. Especially with maybe 60% fully vaccinated in OC. It's still a pretty big reduction but nothing like the near 100% protection from death that it seemed like the vaccines provided a few months back.

Well we don't know though - those 41 deaths could have been included in the 91 of those with pre-existing conditions, which if serious enough, a cold could be a death sentence.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not in FL for sure

Norwegian Cruise Line already received an injunction that is based on a lot more than it being a cruise that leaves the state.

 

[GoofGoof]

Much of the WH plan is unenforceable or just a “we are asking you please to do this..”. Outside of the federal workers mandate, where they have power. The Medicare/Medicaid workers one is interesting.
The texas thing has to due with constitutionality of a state law.

The OSHA part isn’t “asking“. That may be challenged in court, but the plan is it will be a firm rule and employers will have to comply with it. Most of the resistance will fade when people have to stick a q-tip up their nose weekly and in some cases pay for it out of pocket.

 

[correcaminos]

It isn't pointless. I just got off the phone with my friend who was hesitant and then finally got J&J for him and his wife. Well, his wife has mild COVID and he said the vaccines are BS and don't work.

They were sold as making you immune, not as reducing severity of illness. That change in semantics is going to make it harder to reach the still hesitant. It's hard to justify forcing people to get it if it doesn't prevent infection and spread in a high percentage of people.

Yet again those of us who listened to what the results were knew. Because you and your friends were wrong, doesn't mean it changed. It was never sold to me as making one immune. Not having severe illness is huge. So what you are talking about is not a semantics change but not understanding how it was sold.

41 out of 191 deaths being fully vaccinated is not exactly encouraging. Especially with maybe 60% fully vaccinated in OC. It's still a pretty big reduction but nothing like the near 100% protection from death that it seemed like the vaccines provided a few months back.

To me I don't have data to know.

 

[DisneyCane]

Norwegian Cruise Line already received an injunction that is based on a lot more than it being a cruise that leaves the state.

I'll bet real money that if Disney sued FL to allow proof of vaccination to be required to enter WDW, it would end up in the Supreme Court and Disney would lose 5-4 or 6-3.

 

[GoofGoof]

Norwegian Cruise Line already received an injunction that is based on a lot more than it being a cruise that leaves the state.

Yep, and Disney could decide to follow that path. Not saying they will, but they certainly could.

 

[willtravel]

Well we don't know though - those 41 deaths could have been included in the 91 of those with pre-existing conditions, which if serious enough, a cold could be a death sentence.

If a cold is a death sentence, God help us this fall/winter.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yet again those of us who listened to what the results were knew. Because you and your friends were wrong, doesn't mean it changed. It was never sold to me as making one immune. Not having severe illness is huge. So what you are talking about is not a semantics change but not understanding how it was sold.



To me I don't have data to know.

Bias of what? Do you think 20% of deaths coming from under 50% fully vaccinated people is really good? I think that's only 73% effective against death. A few months ago we were talking about 95% plus. That's a huge difference.

 

[LaughingGravy]

The OSHA part isn’t “asking“. That may be challenged in court, but the plan is it will be a firm rule and employers will have to comply with it. Most of the resistance will fade when people have to stick a q-tip up their nose weekly and in some cases pay for it out of pocket.

Yes, the OSHA part doesn't seem to include that the weekly testing needs to be at no charge to the employee, just that it be available.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes, the OSHA part doesn't seem to include that the weekly testing needs to be at no charge to the employee, just that it be available.

Some employers who already implemented this are doing it at the employee‘s expense which makes sense to me.

 

[disneygeek90]

Some employers who already implemented this are doing it at the employee‘s expense which makes sense to me.

That's what my company started this week. Out of work hours, on own time, at own cost.

 

[marni1971]

They were sold as making you immune,

More fool those who thought that. Immunity wasn’t promised by anyone professional in the know.

The covid vaccine stops you dying. Mostly. You can still get sick. That’s what we were told.

 

[dreday3]

If a cold is a death sentence, God help us this fall/winter.

I'm speaking if you have a pre-existing condition, like advanced cancer or something that suppresses your immunity, even catching a cold can be deadly. So what would be mild covid to most of us wasn't to them.

So it's possible those who died even though vaccinated had the above since they stated 91 deaths had pre-existing conditions.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Here's some local stats on vaccinations and how they relate to ICU stays. They are the opposite of surprising.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here's some local stats on vaccinations and how they relate to ICU stays. They are the opposite of surprising.

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Same story in the US all over. Since the stats work against the narrative the anti-vaxx crowd has decided to ignore the stats and just make up their own facts that fit their narrative.

 

[DisneyCane]

More fool those who thought that. Immunity wasn’t promised by anyone professional in the know.

The vaccine stops you dying. Mostly. You can still get sick. That’s what we were told.

No. People knew they weren't 100% effective but were told that they were effective enough against infection that if "enough" were vaccinated it would lead to herd immunity. That turned out not to be correct. The vaccines have turned out to be a pretty good pre-exposure prophylactic against severe illness and death but not nearly effective enough against infection and transmission to ever reach herd immunity.

Will spikes be less severe? Sure. Will fewer people end up in the hospital or dead? Absolutely. Will COVID be eliminated or even be close to eliminated? Not even with 100% vaccinated.