Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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That is splitting hairs. You can break up covid into some kind of groups as well if you really want to.

Its way to early to even guess, but like cancer is there some kind of genetic predisposition to suffer covid's effects more than others? Perhaps one day we will know. Should we be grouping covid based on what kind of underlaying causes they had when they got it? You can certainly, at a minimum, have two groups. Vaxxed and non-vaxxed. Then the specific death counts of each. Daily news at the moment. That said, heart disease and cancer are not contagious. So covid has its own special place.

But in the end only one thing matters. Dead is dead.
It’s not splitting hairs. You can’t break up COVID-19 into different diseases and causes. It is one disease (COVID-19) with one cause (an infection of SARS-CoV-2 virus). There is no COVID-19 caused by genetics or diet caused COVID-19 or bacterial COVID-19. Severity doesn’t change the disease. Being vaccinated and then being infected with SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t give you a different disease.
 

Kevin_W

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The Mayo clinic has a 14-day forecast for their model. My state (Ohio) shows between a 47% and a 383% increase and the country between a 19% and 54%. Depressing.

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It's been 2 weeks, so I thought I'd check back and see how the Mayo clinic model did. For Ohio, pretty well - we're at 58/100k cases per day, which is just below the centerline of the model.

For the US as a whole, luckily the model was off and overpredicted cases. The low bound of the model predicted ~55/100k cases and were at 50.
 

Heppenheimer

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That is splitting hairs. You can break up covid into some kind of groups as well if you really want to.

Its way to early to even guess, but like cancer is there some kind of genetic predisposition to suffer covid's effects more than others? Perhaps one day we will know. Should we be grouping covid based on what kind of underlaying causes they had when they got it? You can certainly, at a minimum, have two groups. Vaxxed and non-vaxxed. Then the specific death counts of each. Daily news at the moment. That said, heart disease and cancer are not contagious. So covid has its own special place.

But in the end only one thing matters. Dead is dead.
Not really. Cancer can arise from any cell in the body by an almost infinite number of biochemical mechanisms. Heart disease can be structural, ischemic, infectious, electrical or mechanical.

COVID-19 is almost entirely a respiratory infection. Virtually every person hospitalized because of the disease ends up there due to the consequences of the virus replicating in their lungs. Other organs systems might be affected (and usually are in severe cases) due to the fall-out from the disease, but the primary driver is still the lung infection.
 

LadyPink

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Hi all,

This is my first time posting on this thread. Is anyone else getting COVID fatigue? I'm fully vaccinated, since April. Early summer I had more optimism about the pandemic. But now with the delta and the rise in numbers and the environments going back to COVID rules (Mask indoors). May I just vent for a sec? I'm sick of it. Again, I do believe in the science and the reasons behind certain decisions. But whereas last Spring with the vaccines, I felt like there was an end in sight. Now, not anymore and nothing is going to change and continue for years. Again, I'm just depressed and fatigue about it. While I do believe in masks, etc, it's more depression and fatigue that makes it sounds like I'm opposed to them. If this makes sense.
 

Nubs70

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Hi all,

This is my first time posting on this thread. Is anyone else getting COVID fatigue? I'm fully vaccinated, since April. Early summer I had more optimism about the pandemic. But now with the delta and the rise in numbers and the environments going back to COVID rules (Mask indoors). May I just vent for a sec? I'm sick of it. Again, I do believe in the science and the reasons behind certain decisions. But whereas last Spring with the vaccines, I felt like there was an end in sight. Now, not anymore and nothing is going to change and continue for years. Again, I'm just depressed and fatigue about it. While I do believe in masks, etc, it's more depression and fatigue that makes it sounds like I'm opposed to them. If this makes sense.
Yes it sucks when the vaccine turns out to be a pre infection theraputic.
 

Kevin_W

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Hi all,

This is my first time posting on this thread. Is anyone else getting COVID fatigue? I'm fully vaccinated, since April. Early summer I had more optimism about the pandemic. But now with the delta and the rise in numbers and the environments going back to COVID rules (Mask indoors). May I just vent for a sec? I'm sick of it. Again, I do believe in the science and the reasons behind certain decisions. But whereas last Spring with the vaccines, I felt like there was an end in sight. Now, not anymore and nothing is going to change and continue for years. Again, I'm just depressed and fatigue about it. While I do believe in masks, etc, it's more depression and fatigue that makes it sounds like I'm opposed to them. If this makes sense.

I think a lot of us feel the same way.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Hi all,

This is my first time posting on this thread. Is anyone else getting COVID fatigue? I'm fully vaccinated, since April. Early summer I had more optimism about the pandemic. But now with the delta and the rise in numbers and the environments going back to COVID rules (Mask indoors). May I just vent for a sec? I'm sick of it. Again, I do believe in the science and the reasons behind certain decisions. But whereas last Spring with the vaccines, I felt like there was an end in sight. Now, not anymore and nothing is going to change and continue for years. Again, I'm just depressed and fatigue about it. While I do believe in masks, etc, it's more depression and fatigue that makes it sounds like I'm opposed to them. If this makes sense.
If you are vaccinated, I say just live your life and filter out the noise. You have done your part. Following daily case counts and the rest is fatiguing. It also isn't necessary for the average vaccinated person to do so because it doesn't really accomplish anything other than stress.
 
CDC changed its definition of vaccine.
Previous:
Vaccine– “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
New definition:
Vaccine– “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Why did CDC changed its definition? Is it that they are seeing that the Covid vaccine was not matching the older definition. Its not really doing that great job of producing immunity? Polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine gives immunity, while the Covid vaccines does not.
 

DCBaker

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"United Airlines’ employees who are granted exemptions to a company vaccinate mandate for religious reasons will be put on temporary unpaid leave starting next month, the airline told staff Wednesday, citing the recent rise in Covid cases.

The airline last month said its 67,000-person U.S. workforce must be vaccinated against Covid-19 this fall, but said it would consider exemptions for religious and personal beliefs as well as medical reasons.

Airlines’ approaches to encourage vaccination rates of their staff have varied. Delta Air Lines is imposing a $200 surcharge on unvaccinated employees’ company health care premiums. Delta, American Airlines and Alaska Airlines will end pay protections for unvaccinated employees who contract or are exposed to Covid-19.

United said Wednesday if an employee’s request for a religious exemption is denied, they must be vaccinated within five weeks of the denial notice and get the first shot by Sept. 27, or they will be terminated.

Pilots, flight attendants, gate agents and airport customer service agents who interact with customers who are granted those exemptions can return to work “once the pandemic meaningfully recedes,” United said, without specifying the timeframe.

Other employees like mechanics and dispatchers granted exemptions can return to work after the airline puts in new testing and other measures, the carrier said in a staff note. It is still determining safety measures for office workers with exemptions and whether they need to come in at all.

Staff who are given medical exemptions for not getting the vaccine will be put on temporary medical leave."

 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
CDC changed its definition of vaccine.
Previous:
Vaccine– “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
New definition:
Vaccine– “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Why did CDC changed its definition? Is it that they are seeing that the Covid vaccine was not matching the older definition. Its not really doing that great job of producing immunity? Polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine gives immunity, while the Covid vaccines does not.
No one has ever said it will provide complete immunity. That was never the message. The world was actually surprised when the trials showed how effective they were at preventing infection. People were hoping for just 50% like a typical flu vaccine. So who are you debating with over this?
 

DisneyCane

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CDC changed its definition of vaccine.
Previous:
Vaccine– “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
New definition:
Vaccine– “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Why did CDC changed its definition? Is it that they are seeing that the Covid vaccine was not matching the older definition. Its not really doing that great job of producing immunity? Polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine gives immunity, while the Covid vaccines does not.
That's just how science works. Things change all the time.

At least that's what I've been told countless times.
 

Touchdown

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Hi all,

This is my first time posting on this thread. Is anyone else getting COVID fatigue? I'm fully vaccinated, since April. Early summer I had more optimism about the pandemic. But now with the delta and the rise in numbers and the environments going back to COVID rules (Mask indoors). May I just vent for a sec? I'm sick of it. Again, I do believe in the science and the reasons behind certain decisions. But whereas last Spring with the vaccines, I felt like there was an end in sight. Now, not anymore and nothing is going to change and continue for years. Again, I'm just depressed and fatigue about it. While I do believe in masks, etc, it's more depression and fatigue that makes it sounds like I'm opposed to them. If this makes sense.
It’s replies like what’s been posted to your question, and the fact that I’m overworked and exhausted trying to save people who decided not to do the one simple thing that could end this that has me exhausted.

The vaccine prevents severe disease, if every adult got it like what’s happening in Europe, we could get back to normal and leave this behind us but no, we have to watch this wave rip through this country causing immeasurable suffering, economic damage, and causing many of my fellow workers to leave the profession (which will affect healthcare in this country for years) so that 40% of the country can stay in their false news bubble.

Believe me, it took all the strength I have to make that paragraph non expletive and safe for this board.
 
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lazyboy97o

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CDC changed its definition of vaccine.
Previous:
Vaccine– “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
New definition:
Vaccine– “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Why did CDC changed its definition? Is it that they are seeing that the Covid vaccine was not matching the older definition. Its not really doing that great job of producing immunity? Polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine gives immunity, while the Covid vaccines does not.
No vaccine gives absolute and permanent immunity. The last person to die of smallpox was vaccinated but it was more than a decade prior to being accidentally exposed.
 

drizgirl

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Not enough vaccinations. Opposition to masks. Opposition to limiting access to unvaccinated customers.

Far too much interest in snake oil.
And that's the problem. Everyone is busy focusing on these things yet they don't seem to care about how we got here in the first place. If we don't know how we got here, we don't know how to keep from repeating it again in a few years.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
I don't need preface it with my opinion when they made the Jan 18th date on August 13th in the first place. You really think any politician is going to say extended it now, hardly 2 weeks later? Biden very may well, but there is no upside right away, he is already hinting at it though. You were asking for opinion and didn't even realize it, but my opinion is based on facts on the ground and people in the know public comments,.

What is not an opinion is that 1500 people are day are dying. Biden is even making a plan to make the standards tougher not more lax,it is allover the news. If I have to post something as simple as this we are in DEEP trouble in this country. It is common sense if 1500 people a day are dying and the hospitals in states like KY have dead bodies in the parking lot under tents and they are going to rationing care at the hospitals in several states. No, we are nowhere close to getting rid of mask on planes, trains and buses on Jan 18th 2022!

Average1500 a day dying:


Rationing:


How much you want to bet the Jan 18th date that masks on planes is supposed to be done is extended a min of 6 more months. How could it not be when Covid is as bad it as it been since the start ,actually worse because younger people are dying due to Delta. Ican link to that too, the information is all over the place.

It worse now than when this was when this was written 4 weeks ago:

Covid seems to be targeting younger Americans aged 50


Best case scenario is this is under control Spring 2022, which mean that Jan 22 mask mandate will be extended, the president and Fauci already know this.


If after all this a person is not convinced that we need continue he public mask mandate far longer than Jan 2022 than nothing will. They will wait to the last minute to extend it again, I wish they wouldn't and hopefully Biden's plan just extends it now. I am not guessing, I am using the information out there. It is far more than opinion. If they did lift the mandate on Jan 18th date we would just prove we are one stupid country.

Last, I use this statement that is far more than a hint. Leonard Marcus says we need the mask mandates until the pandemic is under control and if this guy says it we almost certainly are getting another extension. I personally don't see it under control by Jan 22. Here is hoping. He said we need mask mandtes and within 5 days the date was extended in a big part because of his statements and eveything he says leans toward the date being extended. We would need a miracle for the Jan 22 date to hold true, again here is to hoping. My bet is we are wearing mask though 2022, we sure should be to make sure it dont come back.

Leonard Marcus, founding co-director of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative (NPLI) and co-director of NPLI’s Aviation Public Health Initiative, said he applauds the Federal Aviation Administration’s fines of unruly airline passengers who refuse to wear masks. “Unfortunately, I think we’re going to have to continue the [federal transit] mask mandate until we’re able to significantly increase the number of people that are vaccinated and get a hold on the pandemic,” he said.

I hope you are right, I hope the cases are low enough, but it won't be by Jan 22. Look at where we are at right now, it's not likely at all. Are people all of a sudden going to mask up, get vaccinated , because that is what it's going to take. Heck, we may have Delta2 come out. Thank god the Mu variant isn't as bad as Delta, it very well could have been. So we can hope, but even if cases went to 200 deaths a day tomorrow how can we stop wearing masks on Public transportation , especially at airports on Jan 22?

It's a real shame that people are out there protesting against masks others want mask mandates ended and many will not get vaccinated when we have had 600 HUNDRED THOUSAND Deaths. That is more death than number of Americans killed in World War II, Korea and Vietnam combined. Just think about that. I hate wearing mask, but who the heck takes the time to actively fight against it or get on an aircraft adn fight about it when this many people have died? What will it take, walking over dead bodies?

The entire situation is crazy to me. Hoping isn't going to do it, we need actively fight it with vaccines,masks and most of all keeping informed.
I'm still upset federal transportation extending the date for masks go away for public transportation....Will that will ever end very soon by next year....
 
What is the purpose of your post? To spread misinformation by mentioning a subtle difference which is meaningless to the vast majority of us?The Covid vaccine works. That's the important part. The way it works not so important.

The definition has been updated to reflect the way the Covid Vaccine works.
Just wanted to know why CDC changed the wording. CDC did not explain why they changed the wording. CDC Rochelle Walensky admitted that the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines are “waning”. Now Biden wants boosters after 5 months.
 
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